Winter Wellness Tips to Keep SAD at Bay

Winter Wellness Tips to Keep SAD at Bay

Winter Wellness

Winter wellness needs to be top of your priority list. January and February can feel never-ending, what with short days and long dark nights, especially here in the Northern hemisphere. This is the time to take especially good care of your physical and mental health. More so now because of Covid-19 and lockdown. Getting out and about isn’t easy.

Guest blogger Kimberly Hayes has put together 5 winter wellness strategies so you can stay fighting fit this winter.

Winter Blues

A lot of people around the world struggle with the “winter blues.” Not only is it cold outside, but the days are shorter and it’s more likely you’ll be stuck inside. However, there’s a condition called seasonal affective disorder (SAD), which is essentially a more severe form of the winter blues. This form of depression also afflicts a lot of people, 75 percent of whom are women, and it can significantly impact your day-to-day life. 

The culprit of seasonal affective disorder is most often a lack of sunlight. Having less exposure to sunlight during winter causes your biological clock to shift, which can hinder your body’s regulation of mood, hormones, and sleep. Lack of sunlight can also lead to a vitamin D deficiency, in turn decreasing the production of serotonin (a chemical that contributes to feelings of happiness). And if you naturally have low serotonin production due to a chemical imbalance in your brain, you may be at an even higher risk of SAD. 

The good news is that SAD is treatable. By implementing some simple strategies in your everyday routine, you can mitigate or totally prevent depression, anxiety, negative thoughts, and other symptoms of SAD. Through emmadhesi.com, I strive to inspire people to break out of their shells and live their best lives. That’s why I’ve provided some practical wellness advice on how you can avoid seasonal affective disorder this winter.

Keep it tidy

A messy home can increase stress and tension in your household, not to mention exacerbate depression symptoms. If your living environment is cluttered and/or dirty, carve out a weekend to deep clean it. And try to maintain the cleanliness by cleaning a little each day. In no time, you’re likely to see the stress, arguing, complaining, and other negative energies dissipate!

Get more light

Everyone needs sunlight during winter, especially those who suffer from or are at risk of SAD. Go for a walk each day, either in the late morning or early afternoon (when the sun is brightest). Open the drapes when you’re at home to let sunlight in. If necessary, invest in an artificial sunlight device, such as a light therapy lamp or alarm clock. 

Eat more greens

It’s often more convenient and comforting to load up on empty carbs when it’s cold and dark outside. In fact, we are biologically prone to crave carbs in winter. But a carb-heavy diet will lead to decreased energy and exacerbate any fatigue you may be experiencing from SAD. Be intentional about having leafy greens and other nutrient-rich vegetables in each meal. 

Get a move on it

Few things require more willpower than working out in winter, but exercise plays a critical role in the fight against depression. Carve out time to engage in physical activity for at least 15 minutes a day. If you bundle up and do an outdoor activity, you’ll get the added benefit of sunlight! 

Write every day

Lastly, get a journal, and write in it each day. Write about your negative thoughts and your struggles. Write about your positive thoughts and things you’re grateful for. Write about your goals for progress and strategies that will help you achieve them. Or, just write about an experience you had at the grocery store the day before. Freeing your thoughts and emotions by putting pen to paper can do wonders in your battle with SAD. And who knows — maybe someday you’ll work with Emma Dhesi on writing a book!

You don’t have to keep letting seasonal affective disorder run your life. This winter, maintain a clean home, get lots of sunlight, exercise, and write your heart out. Following these tips is sure to keep SAD and its nasty symptoms at bay, or at least minimize their impact. 

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Would you like to read more inspiring content for everyday life, or do you need coaching on your writing? Visit emmadhesi.com today! 

Kimberly works tirelessly to help others find health, happiness and wellness, particularly when battling addiction. As someone who suffered from an eating disorder, Kimberly knows what it’s like to feel lost and helpless in the face of adversity thus she created Public Health Alert to help keep the public informed about the latest developments in popular health issues and concerns.

Writing horror novels with Todd Sullivan

Writing horror novels with Todd Sullivan

Writing horror novels with Todd Sullivan

by Emma Dhesi | Turning Readers Into Writers

Interview with Todd Sullivan

 

Emma Dhesi  00:00

Hello, I’m Emma Dhesi and welcome to another episode of turning readers into writers. If you’re brand new here, welcome. And here’s what you need to know. This is a community that believes you are never too old to write your first novel, no matter what you’ve been up to until now, if you’re ready to write your book, I’m ready to help you reach the end, I focused on helping you find the time and confidence to begin your writing journey, as well as the craft and skills you need to finish the book.

Each week I interview debut authors, editors and industry experts to keep you motivated, inspired, and educated on all things writing, editing, and publishing. If you want to catch up, head on over to emmadhesi.com where you’ll find a wealth of information and tools to help you get started. Before we dive in, this week’s episode is brought to you by my free cheat sheet 30 Top Tips to find time to write. In this guide, I give you 30 ways that you can find time to write in the small gaps that appear between the various errands and tasks and responsibilities that you have in your day to day life.

Now, you might be thinking that you don’t have any time to spare, but I can guarantee these top tips will give you writing time you didn’t think you had. If you thought writing always involved a pen and paper or a keyboard. Think again. If you thought you needed at least an hour at a time to write your manuscript. I help you reframe that you won’t be disappointed.

Get your free copy of 30 Top Tips to find time to write by going to emmadhesi.com/30 TopTips. Okay, let’s dive in to today’s episode.

Todd Sullivan, author of the wind chimes series teaches English as a Second Language and English literature and writing in Asia. He has had numerous short stories novelettes and novellas published across several countries, including Thailand, the UK, Australia, America and Canada.

He is a practitioner of the sword fighting martial art Kundu or kendo and has trained in fencing muy Thai, capoeira, Wing Chun, and JKD. He graduated from Queens College in New York City with a masters of Fine Arts and creative writing, and received a Bachelor of Arts in English from Georgia State University.

He attended the breadloaf winners conference and the National Book Foundation, summer writing camps. He currently lives in Taipei, Taiwan, and looks forward to studying Mandarin. So let’s find out more about the wind chimes series and Todd’s life in Asia. Well, thank you, Todd, for joining me today. I’m really thrilled to have you on the show.

Todd Sullivan  02:57

Oh, thank you for having me on. 

Emma Dhesi  02:59

I wonder if you could start just by telling us a little bit about yourself and what took you to Asia? Because I believe you are in Taiwan at the moment?

Todd Sullivan  03:07

Right! Yeah. So Okay, my name is Todd Sullivan. I am originally from America so a New Orleans is actually fairly common and like a fairly well known place, Louisiana. And I came out here to Asia about 11 years ago, and I was 10 years in South Korea. And I’ve been in Taipei, Taiwan for about one year now. It’s been just about one year.

Emma Dhesi  03:32

And now you’re enjoying it there. Obviously Asian life suits you. How does Taiwan Taipei differ from South Korea?

Todd Sullivan  03:42

You know, South Korea is very fast. Like there’s a saying that you are told when you first arrive in South Korea. It’s like Bali, Bali, which sounds a certain way it sounds was like that fast. That’s what basically means. And so South Korea, and they do things extremely fast. They walk fast, they drive fast, they do their work fast.

And so it’s a very fast paced culture, while Taiwan, it’s much, much slower. And so, you know, it’s a more relaxed here, more casual feels the way they do things here. So that’s basically the two main differences that most is this South Korea is really fast, Taipei is really Taiwan is much slower.

Emma Dhesi  04:27

Nice. That’s quite a welcome change of pace, I imagine. And I understand that. Taiwan has beautiful beaches, which I’ve not yet visited.

Todd Sullivan  04:35

I have not visited beaches, either. You know, I came here again October of last year, and then around January is when the whole Covid thing became quite a big thing. And so, basically, how my life would have been, if Covid hadn’t happened and how he is now actually quite different. So I haven’t really done a lot here in Taiwan in the past year.

Emma Dhesi  04:58

I should just point I appreciate listening in the future, we’re recording this in October of 2020. And we’re still in the grips of pandemic and lockdown and, and so on and so forth. But, um, well, I used to live in Asia as well. And I love Asia because I was part of the world. No, but I mentioned in the introduction that you took part in an MFA in creative writing, which I know a lot more people are doing now. And I wonder, did you enjoy the course what might have been one of your kind of biggest takeaways from studying literature?

Todd Sullivan  05:34

So the MFA, I think one of the good things about MFA is that you do learn different literary writing techniques. And so that’s, you know, you can take that and use it for any other kind of writing. So that’s the main takeaway, you know, thinking about the language of the writing and thinking about the character that those are the two main things, language in character. And so that’s basically what I took away from my two years it was MFA and New York and in Queens, New York. And so that’s what took away language and writing were the main things.

Emma Dhesi  06:09

Because I think traditionally, MFA programs have been very much about literary fiction. was yours about literary fiction? I think a few more no branching into genre and recognizing that genre fiction has its place as well. But was your is sort of more about literary fiction?

Todd Sullivan  06:26

It was exclusively literary fiction, right? So there was no direct fiction, it was only literary fiction.

Emma Dhesi  06:32

Okay, interesting. And so talking about genre fiction, you write a vampire stories. And I wonder what appeals to you about that, that particular genre of writing your storytelling?

Todd Sullivan  06:47

Well, I got into I was always into kind of vampires. So it began back in elementary school. And I just took it with me throughout throughout the years that I got from elementary, high school, University. Graduate and then just on and on and on, but when they’ll see me, I don’t know maybe just the inclination, like, you know, I was younger, I wasn’t a big fan of Sesame Street, but I did like comfort calm, the guy will cost the the numbers and the blogs at this is mystery I really enjoy for people who are a bit older than your audience, there was a very popular cartoon called count killer.

And about vampire duck. There was a book about vampire Bunny and so these are more or less for kids. Then after that, I got into Dungeons and Dragons, and there’s ravenloft there’s straw, and after that there’s into the vampire Anne Rice, Vampire Chronicles. So really, I just always had an interest in the whole vampire myth those just I don’t know where it came from. But you know, it was always basically there.

Emma Dhesi  07:57

Okay, appealing. Yeah,  Cuz it’s so it shows actually, I’d forgotten that there were all these programs when we were growing up. But it shows that and Twilight’s just one in a met you know, it’s kind of made it fashionable again, but it’s just one in a long history of vampire stories and, and lore and fascination with the kind of dark side of human nature.

Todd Sullivan  08:18

Right, yeah the woman of Twilight of Stephenie Meyers I think it is?

Emma Dhesi  08:22

That’s right. Yeah.

Todd Sullivan  08:24

Twilight took it in a kind of a newish direction that that hadn’t been journey vampires were, I mean, vampires, all the people, at least after kids were much more tragic, much more brutal, much more dark. But I think we’re, I mean, like, people always say, I haven’t actually read it, i watched the movie, but they glow or something.

And so it’s like a very different take on the whole vampire was funny when I got published, because it was a unique take on something that’s been done really to death is there’s a lot of vampires out there. And so she had a new way of doing it. And I think that was very well obviously, it was very successful for her.

Emma Dhesi  09:05

Mm hmm. So that kind of leads on to my next question, actually, I was gonna ask about the tropes of the vampire genre. So traditionally, in most vampire stories, what might the common tropes be? And that if someone was looking to start writing in this genre, what might you guide them towards or suggest that they start looking at?

Todd Sullivan  09:26

I mean, I know the vampire Dracula was it was the monster outside the city. So it was the that that terrible thing that kind of exists outside? And then for humans, of course, it’s a metaphor for I guess the darker nature of humans are darker because, of course, vampires are humans. They’re not, you know, werewolf actually looks like a human. And so that’s the thing. They are tragic. Originally, they were tragic. They were damned.

You actually probably didn’t want to become a vampire because you are now dead. Like eternal damnation that was kind of wet, wet that part but those, and then they were again, they were kind of like the monster the monster have so it’s just kind of much, much darker back in the day. Because even now, for people who do play kind of video game things like this, usually the vampire is the thing you’re trying to kill normally that’s not a character you become.

So it’s generally just something that’s on the outside that needs to be vanquished, not something that you know, people glorified back in the day. That’s how it was.

Emma Dhesi  10:35

And so do your stories, tell that kind of your novels tell that kind of storyline? Or do you or your vampire scene in a more aspirational way? Or a less frightening or a less, outsider character?

Todd Sullivan  10:53

No, they are the kind of vampires you don’t want to become. So they’re not more aspirational? They are more, right. They’re more traditionally the vampires who you who you would feel bad if you became that thing, I guess a vampire meant those.

Emma Dhesi  11:11

And then what about the person who are maybe there aren’t any troops around this, but I’m wondering about the person who finds the vampire or comes in contact with the vampire. In my head. It’s a woman, a vulnerable woman who the vampire decides they want to get their teeth into. But I don’t know if that’s just because I’ve seen too many movies. But it’s not something that is in fiction as well, or they’re often kind of male protagonists as well at the vampire stories?

Todd Sullivan  11:37

The vampire literature is very big. I mean, it fits, it’s probably, it’s so big. And so what’s your that thing about the like, you were saying the I guess the woman being seduced by a vampire, I think that’s what you can live for. But that’s been done. I mean, there are there’s vampire romance is it’s a very, very big genre. So it’s, I mean, if you write I’m sure someone’s gonna want to read it, if that’s actually your question. Yeah, if you write it, someone’s gonna want to read it.

Emma Dhesi  12:07

And so you being an Asia, I think Asia does for a particularly well, maybe Japan in particular, but they have a fantastic team and a really dark take on board. From the movies, I’ve seen that promoted Asia, they’re not scared of really going direct and being very, very scary, has that impacted your ratings or the way you tell your stories? Have you find yourself getting darker?

 

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Todd Sullivan  12:35

Oh, no, actually, I don’t know about other places in Asia, not in Korea, where most of these vampire stories, cuz I was out for 10 years, and I started writing the vampires in my 3 – 4 years. So my third fourth year up to my 10th year, but I didn’t realize until much later that the, in Korea needs the vampire. I mean, the horror genre was kind of limited.

There wasn’t really a lobbying going on because people who are younger can’t even get access to it. And they were really big on violence being portrayed, like being shouted at kids. Because when I grew up in I saw a poster guys, for a cougar. Jason, this is like elementary school because this used to come on Saturday TV in America.

Whereas in Korea, again, this is everything is changing now because coaches are mixing but before that kind of stuff with our people at young we’re never really exposed to it. And the horror market wasn’t the horror genre wasn’t really Oh, that big. It’s changed now. But in the past, it wasn’t really very big and at least Korea was I did access to

Emma Dhesi  13:46

Alright, that’s okay. I didn’t realize that. My my, my thoughts were that yeah, that it was very big there. And that was kind of quite common. Oh, that’s really interesting. Okay, cool. So tell us about you. You said you started writing and four to five, six years ago. And so what’s your writing routine? Like now? And what what prompted you to write your first story?

 Todd Sullivan  14:09

Was that writing the vampire, the vampire stories but it’s not like maybe seven years that now, okay. It’s been like a long time. But I guess this particular one butchers and then the vampire seems extreme for that particular version of a story, but I was living in a place called jvzoo. And what started really the comparison I’m using in the Vampire Chronicles is having a very bad job.

That’s actually what the vampires have. They are very bad jobs. And so that’s what basically started was making them I was making a metaphor for a job that’s bad that you can’t get off. And that’s basically what started with kind of started died.

Emma Dhesi  14:49

Because you were in a job you couldn’t get off.

Todd Sullivan  14:52

Yeah, I mean, how many people are in jobs? You know, work for many people isn’t all that fun. And that’s what I’m trying to That’s why I hope really enjoys it people who have a job, that many people out there who have jobs that day don’t particularly like, but they’re kind of you know, there’s no real way out because as a vampire, wants to become a vampire, you’re stuck. You know, there’s no getting out of it until you die. And so that was the, that was the idea behind it.

Emma Dhesi  15:18

Okay, okay. So you I know that you’re busy, I know that you teach. And so how do you fit your writing time in around that kind of rest of your life, you know, your work life, your social life? I don’t know, if you have a family, but kind of around the other aspects of your life? How do you fit the writing in?

Todd Sullivan  15:39

So previously, I would wake up around five o’clock in the morning, five or six, right before we met, and that’d be it for right of the day, I did that like five days a week. And so that’s it, I actually only write one page a day, one new, unique page a day. And that’s how I make it fit. I don’t do a lot every day. But I do a lot over a long period of time.

So if you write one page a day, five days, a week, over a year, then I’m not very good at math, that should be more than 200 pages. And if you do it consistently over, you know, five years, that’s, you know, 1000 pages that you’ve written. So that’s it just a little bit every day consistently over time, is what I did.

Emma Dhesi  16:18

Fantastic, exactly what I teach my students as well as that you don’t need to sit down for two hours a day, you just need to find a little bit of space regularly. And it’s that kind of compound effect, isn’t it, the more you do it, just keep doing a little bit a little bit. And eventually you’ll get there.

Todd Sullivan  16:35

And mercy upon that, that people who write a lot at one time, I’m not talking about professional authors, but just people regular people who want to write who I like a lot. At one time, they burned out with a fire they had, and they don’t tend to complete these projects that they that they began.

So I actually think just like a fire, if you just like do a little bit of time to keep it stoked, it goes a lot longer than you just sit down for like a weekend, you know, right, like 10 hours. And then after that, you know, you’re kind of you’re out there output just dies down the line after that

Emma Dhesi  17:10

You burned out. So do you tend to write a very clean copy. So because you’re taking your time you’re writing doing one page at a time? Do you tend to sort of edit as you go along and make sure that the copies as good as it can be before you move on to the next page?

Todd Sullivan  17:28

Make sure does good they can be. But since I write one page a day, I mean, that means that I do take a bit more time perhaps on that one page, but again, only do 40 minutes. So no matter what I tend to end around 40 – 45 minutes no matter what memory, the proponent of workshops, critiquing workshops.

And so I have been part of that in real life for a long time. And then online for like the last six or seven years online workshops. And I have everything workshop. So I always have multiple eyes looking at what I write before I send it off to get published.

Emma Dhesi  18:05

And where do you find your critique groups where there’s been a good place to find? 

Todd Sullivan  18:10

I belong to many over the years, but the one I recommend is wave analysis is kind of debatable. But I say skip a file such as scribophile.com. And that’s what I belong to probably the longest of all of them, but I actually have joined many over the years.

Emma Dhesi  18:34

I haven’t heard that one, but I’ll link to that one in the show notes for people to go and go and check out.

Todd Sullivan  18:38

Yeah, I recommend that it’s one that belong to for many years now.

Emma Dhesi  18:42

And then you’re in personal critique groups. How did you find those ones?

Todd Sullivan  18:46

I’m sorry, what was?

Emma Dhesi  18:48

your in person critique groups, the ones that you go to? 

Todd Sullivan  18:50

Oh. So that was just you know, when that question, was it, yeah, you, you know people talk they you meet people who like writing, you get so good. The reason why I don’t do those anymore is because those groups always fall apart. Like, you know, we do we normally we get through at least one story each but then after that, you know, people stopped coming to the group and things like that.

So but basically it’s just you know, talking to someone and they may say oh, we like writing you like write letters other person who likes writing the 3d get together for the get together. You do it for you know, a couple of weeks and then it kind of ends. But that’s how I found that just by conversation. 

Emma Dhesi  19:28

Okay, cool. So you do a lot of martial arts as well. When did you tell us a little bit about that? It sounds like that’s a big part of your life.

Todd Sullivan  19:38

Right when I was in Korea, I did martial arts called kendo which is certified martial arts. So did that for the 9 of the 10 years I was there. And before that I did fencing in America for about five years. So there are 19 years old. But yeah, I enjoy exercise. I enjoy the movement. Like I enjoyed dancing.

All these martial arts is a dicey component, because like rhythm and distance and things like that. So yeah, I do enjoy and it shows up in my fiction, my fiction tends to be very combat heavy combat heavy, there’s a lot action, a lot of fighting going on. So it’s just something that I get the inclination, I’ve always kind of had

book cover

Emma Dhesi  20:22

When I was growing up, we had a friend who used to do kendo as well. And I remember as a child going to these reenactments with, you know, up to 100 men, women turning up in, in Japanese costume, I assume was Japanese costume and Battlefield. And I remember thinking is a very strange thing to do in Scotland. But no, he loved it. And it was quite a spectacle to see these amazing, amazing battles take place.

Todd Sullivan  20:52

There’s a lot of exercises, too, so I recommend it to people.

Emma Dhesi  20:57

And I also wanted to ask you about I think it’s an arch project called for the gods open eyes, I wonder if you tell us a little bit about that.

Todd Sullivan  21:07

There’s a web series slash graphic novel. And it is, uh, I started doing this about three months ago that I they kind of started kind of began and it’s been growing since then. So it’s a superhero genre based on African mythology, African religion, African ideology, because the guy who approached me, for me is from Africa.

And so that’s the source material. And from there, I built like character and narrative and plot and things like that. And it takes place here in Taipei. So it’s a kind of an interesting mix of Africa, and then Taipei, Asia, and then America, which, you know, superhero genre, I don’t know if It was born there, but definitely is where it’s most known.

Emma Dhesi  21:58

So it’s a graphic novel. But I when I’ve gone on Facebook, and sort of had a look at the page and things as a few of you on video. It looks like Jenga weaves through or doing I’m not sure what it is. Could you…?

Todd Sullivan  22:12

Right, it is through so we were doing we’re working on the first season right now we did Episode One last month Episode Two of the second edge just came out today, actually. And there’s like maybe 10 different actors who are and the different episodes is 12 episodes for season one.

Yeah, we have readers is basically on Monday night where people you know, be look at the material, see how listen to highs read, make changes, depending on what needs to be changed. So it’s kind of like the kind of a workshop, I’m bringing on workshops. And so it’s kind of like a workshop, where we get together just figure out what works, what doesn’t what should be changed things like this.

So that’s what those are, those videos are just clips of us doing the breakthroughs.

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Emma Dhesi  22:57

As we said, there’s a season so where is it that you’re doing it as an audio production or a video production? The final production, you know, the final edits, if you like, where..?

Todd Sullivan  23:10

Each one is, each episode is like a mini episode. So just imagine a regular episode that comes on TV. These are only like six minutes long, about six minutes long. And yeah, it’s like a regular episode. So condense a six minute episode that’s going to be on just online. So YouTube or anywhere that there are videos is where you probably find it, but YouTube is the most common one.

Emma Dhesi  23:37

So what are you working on at the moment in terms of your own fiction? what’s what’s next in the pipeline for you?

Todd Sullivan  23:43

Right now there I have a third and the fantasy, the fantasy series of which I Chronicles, which should come out in March 2021. That’s the third book that was gonna be a novel. Other ones were novellas. And that was called blood stool. And I’m like editing revising that right now. And besides that, I have to begin the third one of the Vampire Chronicles. But mostly I’m kind of working on just for the guys open eyes like that project. I’m still waiting for that.

Emma Dhesi  24:18

Cool, your and your vampire series, will it? Is it a three parter? or will there be more to that more than the series?

Todd Sullivan  24:28

not necessarily have like, like a definite conclusion, because the way I’m writing them is that each book has a central plot. So they like the something starts, there’s a middle and then there’s an ending. But the characters themselves go on to a new type of plot.

And there’s like other additional characters added to book two, and then some of those characters because I guess, the main characters that go throughout all the books, but basically it’s different characters that kind of are in each, each volume. So there’s there’s a list goes on, I guess until one just goes it’s gonna probably go on indefinitely.

Emma Dhesi  25:07

So so they are part of a series but you could read them as standalone. If you wanted to dive in a book number two part wouldn’t…

Todd Sullivan  25:14

I am writing them so that you don’t have to be the ones that come before like you’d be doing before and the hassle is your understanding of the thing, but you should still be the real one by itself and completely under more or less complete. Understand what happened. 

Emma Dhesi  25:29

Okay, cool. So listen, where can listeners find out more about you and your various projects online?

Todd Sullivan  25:39

The easiest place is finding social media. So Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, those are the easiest ones. I have guest on podcast, I’m guessing on done blogs for different people have blogs, interviews.

But either places just really just Google my name, Todd Sullivan, SULLIVAN I have done enough now that my dad kind of has like been just kind of come up just in the Google name. And so yeah, you just go there. My name, you should find beginnings of information about man, we follow that you’ll find more and more.

Emma Dhesi  26:14

And what is your handle on Instagram?

Todd Sullivan  26:19

I Think it is dvnius, Dvnius. That’s what it should be the same for Twitter. They both should be the exact same dvnius.

Emma Dhesi  26:29

Lovely. But that’s great. Thank you, Todd, for your time today. I really appreciate you talking to you.

Todd Sullivan  26:35

Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Emma Dhesi  26:40

Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did. I really enjoyed talking to Todd and learning about his experiences in Asia, and what the horror scene is like over there. But one of the biggest takeaways I had from my conversation with Todd is how much he manages to write on a relatively small amount of time each day.

He has made it his daily mission to get up that little bit earlier, and fit in just 40 minutes a day to write one page of his book a day. And look at him now he has published multiple books in two different series. And he’s working on a web series with his creative arts team. So it just goes to show that if you are consistent, there is a fantastic compound effect.

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Funny talk with Spoof Sci-Fi writer Celeste Stacy

Funny talk with Spoof Sci-Fi writer Celeste Stacy

Funny talk with Spoof Sci-Fi writer Celeste Stacy

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Interview with Celeste Stacy

 

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Celeste Stacy is a transgender woman who lives in Ohio. Although she has lived there all of her life she has traveled abroad extensively. And as such, she has a very broad view of the world and the people who live here. Her belief is that we are all children of the earth, and that everyone should live in peace and harmony. Celeste initially wanted to join the medical profession but crossover into the arts for scheme with acting.

She started in a low budget horror film yet to be released, but then found her way into writing when her english instructor who fell in love with her short stories, encouraged Celeste to pursue writing Instead, she currently shares her life with her loving wife, their three adult sons and grandkids. Her debut novel S.A.I secret agents of Illuminati book 1 was released in April of this year.

Let’s hear more about how Celeste got started. And what inspired her novel. Well, Celeste, thank you so much for joining me today. I’m thrilled to have you on the show.

Celeste Stacy  02:57

Thank you. 

Emma Dhesi  02:58

I wonder, I wonder if you could just start by telling us a little bit about yourself and how you got into writing. 

Celeste Stacy  03:07

I got into writing about seven years ago, I was going to school, college, and my my english comp teacher. She was a really liking my stories. And I was putting out these stories like on an every weekly basis. And she’s like, Where are you coming up with this stuff? And I know, I just have an active imagination. And she’s like, what are you going to college for? And I was going to school at the time for medical support. And she says, that’s the wrong profession for you is like, Oh, really? And then like I just like put her you know, comment off to the side.

And then a school drug on when when the year someone approached me when I was in the cafeteria and they said, Hey, you want to be in a short horror short. So I said yeah, right. And then he gave me the script. And I looked at it. And then I said, Okay, and I did it. And then I kind of got into you know, filmmaking, and then I got more into the screenplay, right? And then from there, I started selling my screenplays into contests to be you know, judged. And that really helped my writing style.

And there’s like, I was trying to sell my screenplays to Hollywood, which is like, really hard to do. It’s like you get to know people on the inside to do that. So I decided just last fall to take my screenplays and use it like an outline and turn it into a book after seeing some YouTube videos and how to turn screenplays in the books. So January well, December I started writing S.A.I Secret Agency Illuminati from a screenplay format into a book format. And then I published it in mid April.

Emma Dhesi  04:57

Of this year. That’s right 

Celeste Stacy  04:59

This year. Yeah, I had it mostly written. And then the pandemic happened. And I the overtime in my day job kicked in. So I took some time off vacation time. And then I finished the book and then I published it. And then yeah, went back to work. And it’s like, been trying to find free time here and there. But I did I actually, I left my day job of 23 years, just in September, September 4 was the day I left was my last day, because I wanted to be an author. 

Emma Dhesi  05:37

I’m going to come back to that. Do you want to ask you about that? the realities of being a full time writer. So I’m glad you mentioned that. Before we do, though, I’d love you. I’m really interested in I didn’t know that you had done screenwriting as well. So I wondered, what for you was the kind of biggest difference between writing a screenplay and writing a manuscript.

Celeste Stacy  06:01

The biggest difference is with with a book format, you have to fill in all the details. I mean, you get filled in, I know, S.A.I Secret Agents, Illuminati, I use more form is not more it’s book format, but it’s more of the old radio programs kind of thing. 

Emma Dhesi  06:22

And so did you. 

Celeste Stacy  06:24

Is it more dial it’s got more dialogue, I guess I’m trying to say is, it’s telled more in the dialogue and then… 

Emma Dhesi  06:31

And so I guess, in terms of structure, is it very similar that you have something exciting that happens at the beginning that inciting incident? And then you build the tension in the same way so you get to the climax at the end? 

Celeste Stacy  06:44

Yeah. Basically, what I did is I took my screenplay and use it as the outline, and I just filled in all the blanks. 

Emma Dhesi  06:51

Okay.

Celeste Stacy  06:51

What was a screenplay? I don’t know, if you’ve read a screenplay, but a screenplay format, you got the like the screen, hit the scene heading. And then you got a little bit of action and dialogue, and then more action and more dialogue. And all that other stuff in between is filled out in the movie, or TV show by by a crew and other departments. So it’s, it’s a team effort to do a screenplay and it’s, it’s silly. 

Emma Dhesi  07:22

Yes, I was in a garret on a room.

Celeste Stacy  07:25

Yeah.

Emma Dhesi  07:26

So tell us about some secret agents of the Illuminati. Where did that idea come from? 

Celeste Stacy  07:32

I came up with this idea for the story about two years ago, and I worked on, I was working on creating a web series for it. And that’s where I got it from him. But Originally, I was going to do a spoof comedy series on the old 80s action shows like Charlie’s Angels, a team and all them and it was kind of like, you know, going to spoof them. But my book more or less boosts Marvel. It does have a little bit of Charlie’s Angels flair, and 18 flair, but it’s like really spoofing the Marvel Studios. 

Emma Dhesi  08:08

So tell us a little bit about it. What’s the How does the story start? 

Celeste Stacy  08:12

Um, it starts at their alien race from another galaxy and they’re flying through and they drop out of hyperspace into the asteroid belt crash into an asteroid. And then they abandon ship and come to earth. And then they, because they came to earth, when everyone was really primitive, they basically set up the society of today is like, you know, the conspiracy theorists, you know, Illuminati, mindset Illuminati. And it’s like, the people are from yo Nardi. It’s just his comedy. It’s like, you know, tongue in cheek. 

Emma Dhesi  08:48

I like it. I like it. So and I’ve never written comedy, I imagined that to be very, very difficult. What did you find to be the most challenging aspects of writing the book?

Celeste Stacy  09:02

The dynamics of the characters and how they interact, and the dialogue is not read not using the same words to progress the characters, dialogue with the other characters and interactions. It’s like, he has done a lot of editing because I was finding myself a lot of the dialogue was starting the conversations was was like turning out the same and it’s like my boss, chris, you said, it’s like, what are these conversations are the same? Yeah, don’t mix it up. So I started changing it. 

Emma Dhesi  09:36

So that’s interesting, then the type of dialogue that you write for a screenplay would be quite different than for fiction books or that even though the, the gist of the conversation might be the same, the actual dialogue needs to do with it. 

Celeste Stacy  09:53

And then I have to fill in the fill in the blanks of you know, what’s going on in the with around the conversation around the people and you know.

Emma Dhesi  10:02

Okay, so your book is sort of it’s sci fi comedy, I think you described as?

Celeste Stacy  10:08

Yeah. 

Emma Dhesi  10:10

So you’ve had to do quite a bit of world building and how how did you go about doing that? What’s the kind of what was the starting point for this new world? 

Celeste Stacy  10:19

Well, in the book, it’s it takes place in modern times. It’ll have flashbacks, but it pretty much just feel today. Well, you know, what’s going on in today’s world? 

Emma Dhesi  10:30

Right. Okay, so the aliens? We don’t we’re not transported to their world at all. It’s all taking place. Or not yet? 

Celeste Stacy  10:38

Not yet. We will eventually, but it’s taking place on Earth.

Emma Dhesi  10:46

Right, okay, Will we see more of the alien world in? It’s part of series, isn’t it? So will it be? We meet the alien worlds? 

Celeste Stacy  10:55

Eventually. Okay, eventually, I have booked to coming out in about a month. And that one has some timing why me kind of stuff where they go back in time? A few years, but

Emma Dhesi  11:10

Not enough, so not to the alien world? So giving thought to that yes. Or, or not quite yet to that that new world that world building?

Celeste Stacy  11:20

Yes, but not yet. Yeah, it’s gonna be in a few books from now. With this as I’ve started a companion series, called tales of Illuminati, and that’s gonna take place from past missions. And the first book for that which I’ve about a third of the way. That one’s about, that’s going to be like a Western. That takes place 100 years ago in the West, like 1865.

So but yeah, on the the first book, secret agent is it’s just, it’s assembling the team of girls, because the first team, they ended up being turned into zombies. And they’re in barrels in the pope in the hangar in storage, so to say. So we got a new team, and they’re being trained. And they’re like, you know, got some really good characters going on.

Emma Dhesi  12:16

So you mentioned earlier that you took the plunge, and you decided to go full time writer. But then you just mentioned there that, that you’ve gone back to a paid job. So tell us about why you decided to take that plunge, what it was like moving into being a full time writer. And then kind of what’s happened since then?

Celeste Stacy  12:42

We were working, I worked in a food plant. And we came off our busy season. And we had like two weeks where we were working just normal eight hours, and then the pandemic happened. And then the overtime kicked in. And I was like working 14 hours a day, every day. And the job was like 40 minutes from my house.

So I was like, basically getting up at 5am getting home at like 9:30 eating dinner at 10 go to sleep, rinse and repeat. And it was just it was getting to be crazy. And I used up all my time to take off to finish book 1, and I was telling Chris Iike, I can’t do this anymore. It’s driving me nuts. I want to be a writer and I can’t finish book 2 work in these hours.

And thanks to the overtime I had a lot of money saved up. So I’m living off my say my savings while I write my books. And September 4 was my last day and is like um, it took me a good month to just decompress from working in a food plant and putting all the hassles and the stress and the headaches of that job behind me. And then focus on the book. Now we did take a vacation in September.

And yeah, for anniversary, our 32nd anniversary, 31st anniversary, Happy Anniversary 31st anniversary, and we went to Hocking hills in Ohio, we rent a cabin in the woods. And we just stayed up there. And I just focused on writing. and Chris just focused on reading books. And because she’s an office type worker, and so I let her do her thing. And I just wrote and I finished the book and all that. So that really helped. 

Emma Dhesi  14:34

So that being edited right now.

Celeste Stacy  14:38

No, it’s waiting to be edited. It’s supposed to go to the editing service next week. But Chris did read it a couple of days ago and she says you might want to change some things here and fix this and fix the grammar and psych So I did that and I was just waiting. But it usually takes about a week or two with added service that get it edited and it’ll be ready to publish on Amazon. 

Emma Dhesi  15:02

Wonderful. Well, let’s have a look, if you don’t mind just delving a little bit more into your full time writing life, because going, as you say, going from paid job to a daily job, you know, job well I do that you’re in charge of you’re the boss now, you have to be give yourself discipline, did it take a bit of time to transition into that? And what does an average writing day look for you now?

Celeste Stacy  15:28

Yeah, I gotta have more discipline, I got to stay off YouTube. But My typical day is, I still get up early, about seven o’clock in the morning, and then you know, breakfast coffee, get that out of the way cleaned up. And that’s important, you know, just prepare, like you’re going to a job, but you’re not in that I come to my desk out here. And I do a lot of promoting my book on social media, on Instagram, and Twitter, and Facebook, all the book related, author related forums on Facebook, I’m on all those.

And then I get that I spend about two hours a day on that and that’s really helped my book sales is just, you know, networking with other like minded people and put the word out. And then I do my own website editing. And I’ve been building my website for the book, secret, nerdy.com And then I spend the rest of the day to about five o’clock writing, or when Chris gets home about 5:30-6 o’clock. 

Emma Dhesi  16:39

But that’s interesting. Do you find your more productive? Or more creative in the afternoon? 

Celeste Stacy  16:44

Yes, yes. I spend my mornings with, you know, social media that I eat lunch, and then from after lunch and on and I, before I go take care of my chickens because I have my chickens. They lay the easter eggs so… 

Emma Dhesi  17:03

Very nice. You live in a rural area?

Celeste Stacy  17:07

Yes i live on the country, we own six acres, about a country. That’s very peaceful. 

Emma Dhesi  17:13

Beautiful. Now you did. And I want to come back to the marketing side. But I just wanted to talk about the publishing as well. And how have you find kind of being the publisher of your own books? And are you have you decided to go with sort of key you can limited? Or are you publishing wide with your book?

Celeste Stacy  17:35

For the first book, I published it exclusively with Amazon, and their Kindle Unlimited, and their audio book on Audible, unlimited thing. So you can actually if you have memberships in the audible club, or the Kindle unlimited club, you can read my book or listen to my book for free. 

Emma Dhesi  17:54

Fantastic. I’ll definitely be linking to it in the show notes. Don’t worry. And now you’ve mentioned audio. So I know that you made an audio book, the audio version of your book. Tell me about that experience. What was that? Like?

Celeste Stacy  18:08

Yeah, I when I when I did it in? February, I started it. late February, I did it. I went to ACX, the website, ACX for Amazon. And I create one on there. It’s really straightforward. They have some tutorials, but it’s really straightforward and you, you create the job, and then you put the title and then you put in for accepting the auditions and then I started what listening to the auditions as they came in, which was a good 15 – 16 people and then I found the one. His name’s john Moriarty and he’s really good.

Emma Dhesi  18:52

So it wasn’t I didn’t know they did that, that they and help you find the narrator as well. Yep. And so And how long did it take him to narrate the book?

Celeste Stacy  19:04

About a week

Emma Dhesi  19:06

And then once the, once the recording is done, because presumably he does he just go off and do it by himself? Or how does that work? 

Celeste Stacy  19:15

He does it in his in his own home or recording studio, whatever. But you know, it’s really good, high quality mp3 type files, and then every, every night, I would get a new file, and then I would listen to it and then I would approve it. So yeah, that’s why I want it it’s like every every day was a was a new was one or two new chapters. 

Emma Dhesi  19:40

I see. So then does ACX called the the file in the cloud, if you like, and then you have it there accessible and then it’s distributed from ACX, or did they do the distribution themselves? 

Celeste Stacy  19:52

Yeah, they have a distributed on their website on the audible.com. I also have files on my computer, the original files, but but it’s it’s distributed via audible.com. 

Emma Dhesi  20:06

Okay. Okay, so they Okay, yeah. 

 

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Celeste Stacy  20:09

But if you go on to Amazon and go to look on my book, you’ll have the three different formats available. It’s a ebook, paperback and audible. And then you click on the audible link, and it’ll take you to a test though. 

Emma Dhesi  20:24

That’s so exciting. Really. 

Celeste Stacy  20:25

I know.

Emma Dhesi  20:28

Now marketing, you mentioned marketing. Before that you spent quite a bit of time on social media. Have you found either a platform or a system that works really well for you? Because you said, and that has really helped with your book sales, which is fantastic. So I know that there’ll be others kind of wanting to and learn from you about how do you generate book sales through social media or other platforms? 

Celeste Stacy  20:52

Yeah. First I, I’ll put ads out on on Amazon, I have an ad campaign going. And people that have their ebook, their e-reader, black screen, I’m advertising and it’s it’ll come up randomly for that and that’s one form of advertisement. And then there’s a through the Google SEO thing, it’s, you pay the get bumped up in search results. And Amazon’s Yeah, like 10s of 1000s of authors and their books. And he says, I get a call your way up to the top. I think my last star rank book ranking was like 155,000. That’s my ranking. My book is like, I just climb my way up. 

Emma Dhesi  21:46

Yeah. That’s really good.

Celeste Stacy  21:48

I found it just, you know, talking to people in the author groups, and the reader book reader groups, and, and distribute, distribute my Amazon link on those groups, and doing author reviews, and, you know, swapping author reviews with other authors. That really helps, too, because you got to have, you know, you got to have reviews on your book. And if you don’t have reviews, people are gonna say, Well, I can read this, no one’s read it as I go by anybody if they see it, like, Oh, it’s got a lot of reviews since like, so look at it. So that’s a thing is getting the reviews and…

Emma Dhesi  22:24

So who do you are? Who do you go through? Or which websites do you use to get those author reviews? 

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Celeste Stacy  22:31

There’s Facebook and their forums. And then I’m just now starting to see there’s only like a pop up this one do they do they have author reviews kinds of things you could talk to? And then…. there’s a few others, I can’t think of. Mostly it’s been just the Facebook forum groups talking to other authors. 

Emma Dhesi  22:57

It’s the platform I use the most as well I find it It’s funny, everybody gravitates to different things. Don’t leave a Facebook. I just I didn’t get my age, but I certainly find it easiest to navigate. makes sense to me. 

Celeste Stacy  23:09

Yeah. Oh, Instagram is a really good platform for advertising because I did a freebie a freebie event, in celebration of Prime Day, Monday and Tuesday, and my book was free for two days. And I didn’t, you know, wrote up a thing and I put it on my, my Facebook page, on a lot of the forums, and that generates generated some sales leads. And then I put it on Twitter, generates some see, you know, some free sales, but putting it on Instagram, my Instagram account that really generated a lot of sales. Well, their sales, but they’re free. So that’s amazing. 

Emma Dhesi  23:53

Yeah, that’s it’s getting people into your stories and your characters. So they…

Celeste Stacy  23:56

Just get them to read the book and then hopefully, they’ll come back and they’ll buy the second book and the third book and on…

Emma Dhesi  24:02

Yeah, yeah, you go. And now you’ve described and Secrets Agents of the Illuminati as a dime store type novel. And so does that have an impact on the type of covers that you use or the imagery that you use in your efforts?

Celeste Stacy  24:19

Yes, they will for tales of Illuminati, because that’s going to be 100 pages where or less, whereas my it’s not novella, but it’s only gonna max out at 200 pages. I think the first one was 138 pages. And then second one’s like 168 pages. So the second book is a little bit longer. It’s got a little bit more story to it. But uh, yeah, that’s they’re all novellas because novellas is, you know, shorter than a regular novel. And it’s like, I’ve been hearing a lot of the people who like preferred the novellas, and it’s like they can read them on an airport and on the airplane, or on the train or buses, and it’s like just they just want something quick.

Emma Dhesi  25:06

Yes, you know, there does seem to be I think now that we’ve got the now that the indie world is here, we can see that people like all sorts of different types of stories, different formats, day to day or traditional estimations of what normal is. Yeah. Yeah. Um, what was it gonna say? There was a question that came up there, and I’ve totally forgotten what it was no. At all. Yes, I was good to answer. Do you plot your stories? Are you more of a discovery writer and you have a character and you see what happens? 

Celeste Stacy  25:39

Or do it again? 

Emma Dhesi  25:40

Or do you have you know, do you plot your novels? Or are you more of a discovery writer? And so you maybe have a character in your head? And then you just see what happens? Or do you… 

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Celeste Stacy  25:50

More, more discovery because I’ll go through and I’ll read read up of what I’ve written so far. And then I’ll just kind of like play out in my head, Daydream. And just like, this is kind of exciting. Because even I don’t even know where the story is going. is like, it was like, go down this one go down this one way. And then that’s like, okay, as I guess, like a house. So well, maybe I’ll do this differently. And it’s like, it just unloads and like a movie in my head as I go. I’m really cool, i just write it down, so…

Emma Dhesi  26:24

 yeah, that’s what I like. I’m also a discovery writer. And I do love those moments of surprise when, oh, my goodness, i just…. 

Celeste Stacy  26:31

I didn’t laugh and I’ll be laughing actresses. Like, why you laugh about my story? So, yeah. 

Emma Dhesi  26:40

And so what are you working on at the moment? The two novellas? 

Celeste Stacy  26:44

Yeah, I’m right now I’m working on tales of luminary tales of Illuminati. And I do have another series that I’m going to start. It was my actually my first feature length screenplay. And it’s called Martian Twilight, and the niche of time, and that’s a new book series. Now that is, you know, fantasy. It’s taken like it’s like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and like ancient, the, you know, old Zeus type Greek movies, like, you know, Clash of the Titans. And I’m putting them into it, that’s going to be a feature length, or, you know, full note novel series so… 

Emma Dhesi  27:30

I love your sort of inspiration for a lot of these. I get the feeling that maybe you’re a big fan of these and 1950s type B movies with, you know…

Celeste Stacy  27:39

Yeah, I did like that saturday creature features. Yeah, I love those. Yeah, I do have other stories that I’ve written out. And they’re different genres. I’ve got some other that’s like it’s like a nor type. It’s a 1920s is that one’s called Mike sledge and the big picture and that’s more like a Humphrey Bogart and kind of kind of story and this is quitting my factory job and we’re in writing full time it’s like all these stories are gonna start coming out and they’ll start publishing this you know, stories so…

Emma Dhesi  28:19

Very exciting. You have got a lot…

Celeste Stacy  28:20

I have a lot of stories in my head. 

Emma Dhesi  28:22

Well, listen, we’re we’re kind of at the top of our our time together. So where can listeners find out more about your current books and also about your future series?

Celeste Stacy  28:34

secretnardi.com is where the current series for tales and secret agents will be that’s the website but um, I am going to create another website and it’s gonna it’s gonna be do with my publishing mogul media. So I get that up and then but right now is just like Facebook and on a secretnerdi.com Oh, and also you can find me on my social medias like Twitter and Instagram, which is celestestacy67 and then my email celestestacy67@gmail so… 

Emma Dhesi  29:12

Fantastic. I’ll put them in the show notes so people can be chase.

Celeste Stacy  29:17

Stay tuned is like I’m just getting started. 

Emma Dhesi  29:20

Yes, it does feel like that very much so, thank you very much for your time today. I really enjoy it to do.

Celeste Stacy  29:27

Thank you.

Emma Dhesi  29:30

Well, I hope you enjoyed that interview with Celeste Stacy. One of the things that I got from that was really the love that she has for the writing that she does. And it all seems like a lot of fun for her and she enjoys the spoof and the comedy element of it. And as a result, she’s got so many ideas for future books and future stories. So I really love hearing about that side of things. The other thing I took from our chat together was how we can take old stories and retail them in a way that’s fresh and new for us in and genres that we like.

So for example, Celeste loves all the sort of B movies from the 1950s and 60s. And so she takes a lot of those ideas and the storylines and she adapts and changes them to fit the kind of stories that she loves to town. And why not, you know, though, as they say, there is no new story out there and if it was good enough for Shakespeare, hey, it’s good enough for us. So let me know if you enjoyed the show. Comment below. What were your big takeaways, and then I’ll see you again next time. Bye.

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Life is Stranger than Fiction with Henry Ball

Life is Stranger than Fiction with Henry Ball

Life is Stranger than Fiction with Henry Ball

by Emma Dhesi | Turning Readers Into Writers

Interview with Henry Ball

Emma Dhesi  00:00 

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Okay, let’s dive in to today’s episode. Henry Ball describes himself as an executive contractor, author and general ruffian. They call him daddy Oh at home. Henry Ball was born and raised in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He’s the product of a broken home and a dysfunctional family. 

And Henry Ball learned resilience, ingenuity and a relentless work ethic from his indefatigable mother, Dolores Boone. She helped Henry faced the adversities of his tumultuous upbringing at the hands of a violent and abusive father, who Henry decided was not the model for him.

Dolores is the inspiration and main character of Henry’s debut novel sister of sorrows, his own journey from that tumultuous and debilitating childhood to personal transformation, faith and success is chronicled in the sequel, sons of sorrow. 

Listen to Henry Ball today and find out how he can inspire you to write your debut novel. Well, Henry, thank you so much for joining me today, I’m really thrilled to have you on the show.

Henry Ball  02:52 

Thank you so much Glad to be here. 

Emma Dhesi  02:54 

I wonder if you could start off by just telling us a little bit about you and how you became a writer.

Henry Ball  03:01

So I have followed a career path in the construction industry and in doing various, you know, various things in the construction industry. And I’ve risen up as an executive, I have run my own business. I’m currently the vice president of a midsize construction company here in the Atlanta area. And I have always I did and I should back up, I also went to the Art Institute of Atlanta, for you know, marketing, ad design and things of that nature, but I never really followed that career path. 

However, in my career path, I have always been the person who wrote, you know, the marketing, you know, marketing, I call it propaganda, but, you know, the shows and brochures and things of that nature. And I’ve always been relied on to write, you know, important documents for, you know, the companies I’m involved with, and, and I’ve just always been a little bit I’ve always had a pretty good flair for writing.

I then started writing for a for a sports blog, maybe about 15-18 years ago, called the Bleacher Report. And it’s like one of the biggest things on the planet now, but I was actually one of the first writers and one of the first syndicated columnist with the Bleacher Report, they actually offered me a paid position, but if it wasn’t, it wasn’t close enough to you know, what I was earning to feed my family, so I wasn’t really able to take it at that time. but I, but I did get a good introduction into the writing world and I covered my favorite sports team, which is the LSU tigers, covered a number of football games and went to football games and worked in the press box and things like that.

So it was very, very exciting experience for me, I enjoyed it very much. And, and had always felt like, you know, I want to write a book. In fact, because of my upbringing, which you know, is, you know, chronicled in sister of sorrows, to some degree, I had always kind of thought that the title of my book would be, you can’t get there from here.

Because, you know, I really, in a lot of the things that I learned from my mother, I really was able to kind of transform my life as a young man and move away from the childhood that, you know, my upbringing, and, and learn to become a successful businessman and, and a, you know, good husband, a good son, a good father, and all of those things.

And I, you know, most people, I think, that come up in the same way, in the same circumstances, including some of my siblings, some of my siblings have been very successful. And some of my siblings have struggled, you know, because of, you know, because of some of the things that we experienced, you know, as, as younger people. And so I just kind of always thought that that would be the first book I would write, there’s a story that, you know, I can tell you a little bit later about how sister of sorrows came about.

 

Henry Ball

But once that book actually started being written, it really wasn’t so much about me, it was about my mother, and her journey and her struggle and, and, you know, the adversities that she faced, and, and there was a, you know, the thing that happened within our family, that that kind of led me or motivated me to, Okay, I gotta go ahead and write this down. And, and, in fact, and I didn’t mention this when I mentioned, the Bleacher Report, but I’ve written other articles for trade magazines, and, you know, I’ve been published in, you know, magazines and things of that nature, nothing, you know, nothing huge or major but, but I’ve been published a few times.

And so I started to write an article, which turned into, you know, the book. And so, so I guess I’ll just tell you that story real quick, just a brief version of it. So one of the things that the book is about is that my mother had a, a another child that we never knew about, in fact, my, that I’m the youngest of six. So So I grew up in a household of six children. Well, we come to find out when I was 42 years old, I think 42 or 43, my mother kind of Finally, you know, told her deep, dark secret, which is that she placed a child for adoption, who would have been the middle child.

So, so I was like, wait a minute, you know, there’s, you know, there’s some things here that I need to know, there’s a story here that I need to know. And, and long story short, you know, my mother was forthcoming about, you know, the fact that, you know, she had this child, I actually reached out to and found my sister, my other sister, my oldest sister now lives with her together in Seattle, Washington, they’re like, they’ve been together their whole life.

But, but so she’s a part of our family now. And, and she should have been for much longer, because she reached out to my mother back in like, 1992 when I was 22 years old. And, and they had a relationship for, you know, like, 18 years writing cards and letters to each other and talking to each other. And, and she wanted to know her siblings very badly, but my mother kind of made her promise that she wouldn’t tell us that she would let my mother tell us herself.

And she kept saying, well, I’ve got to get all my kids together, which was kind of a pipe dream. I mean, we’re all over the country. So we weren’t really going to be in the same room. And by the way, we’re all fully grown. So you know, so, you know, I was like, Mom, you know, why didn’t you tell us this way back when, you know, and, and, and, and so then the other issue was that my sister wanted to know about her father, because her father is not my father, her father, you know, is it was was a different person, which is kind of part of the story.

But my mother wouldn’t really tell us much about him, other than he came from a powerful family and she was scared that it would be you know, that they would try to protect, you know, him and his legacy or whatever. And, and So I, you know, I kind of, you know, jokingly asked my mom, mom, who did you sleep with john F. Kennedy. I mean, you know, you, you don’t want us to know this deep, dark secret, but you know, we need to we’re adults will, will then come to find out, the gentleman passed away, like 30 years ago.

And, you know, it was really just this thing in my mom’s head that he’s from, from back then his family had a little, you know, his family was rich, and, you know, powerful in the, you know, in the Baton Rouge area. So, to her, he was some big, powerful man that they would try to protect, but she didn’t really tell us all of this at the time. And so I’ve just, you know, just made contact with my long lost sister, you know, found out that my mother who’s been keeping this secret for, you know, 45 years now, almost 50 years, is still not willing to open up about certain aspects of it.

So, so and then the other element is, is that, you know, with the adoption of my sister, I had been through the adoption process, my wife and I have a six year old that we adopted, and but we had been through, like, some really, you know, harrowing experiences trying to adopt, we had gone through five years, three matched adoptions that fell through, and, you know, just just some real heartbreaking stuff.

And, and, you know, I can tell you the story about my son at another time, but, you know, he’s, he’s kind of our miracle, you know, at the end of that process, and, and so I was going to write an article about adoption with my sister, my experience, so on and so forth. But I started with my mother’s experience, all the way back with my first sister, my mother had gotten pregnant in high school, she was, you know, she was 16, when she got pregnant, she was 17, when she had my sister, this was back in 1957, when it was not acceptable.

She was going to be the valedictorian of her class, but she literally had to drop out of high school six weeks before graduation, because of the pregnancy. And so that really shaped, you know, a lot of her life. And, and a lot of her potential was blunted because of that. And so that’s really where sister of sorrows starts, but then goes through kind of a, you know, like, you know, the somewhat remarkable history of our family.

And, and I personally think it’s, it’s turned into a very, as you would say, lovely book, and a lovely story. And, and so that’s kind of, that’s kind of where my writing came from. Now, I have also written not quite ready to publish the sequel to sister of sorrows, which is sons of sorrow, which is really my story, it kind of picks up where sister of sorrows left off with, you know, me as a teenager, and then kind of, you know, goes through my journey, you know, through my childhood into adulthood, and kind of a coming of age, and then the transformation of my life and, and, you know, kind of brings us to where we are today.

Emma Dhesi  13:35

It’s an amazing story. I thought for a second you were going to say that it was JFK. 

Henry Ball  13:42 

So you have to read the book, um, he, the person is, is is not. So it’s a fictional memoir. Right. And, and so, the names of, you know, the lay people, my family, you know, most people involved have been changed. You know, I say, to protect the innocent, and some were guilty, too.

But there are some public figures in the book whose names haven’t been changed, like for one, Billy Cannon, who is a very famous football player back in the 50’s and 60’s, a hero to the state about to the state of Louisiana. And in a friend of my friend of my father’s he, several years after his football career when he was a successful orthodontist in Baton Rouge, and just an absolute hero to the whole state of Louisiana, became embroiled and was the ringleader of the largest counterfeiting scheme in the in the history of the country.

And my, my father was an unindicted co conspirator. if you will. That counterfeiting scheme, the counterfeiting scheme itself, and Mr. cannon is, you know, public record. But my dad’s involvement, my dad was the one person that wasn’t indicted and wasn’t, you know, prosecuted because nobody really knew much about his involvement other than Mr. Cannon and my father. Um, and, and so I kind of go into the details of that.

But one of the things about Mr. Cannon is, you know, he was when the counterfeiting scheme happened, Sports Illustrated, ran an article and called him a counterfeit hero. And he lost, you know, he had won the Heisman Trophy back in 1958. So they took away the Heisman Trophy, he was removed from the Pro Football Hall of Fame, he was removed, you know, from the College Hall of Fame.

So, I mean, this man, you know, was at the absolute pinnacle of, you know, his sports and, you know, hero, his home and, you know, Celebrity, and he fell, you know, to the absolute bottom, went to prison. And then he, you know, he made a long journey back to respectability. And shortly before my father’s death, the ESPN ran a program on Outside the Lines called the redemption of Billy cannon.

And, and, you know, so it kind of showed how he had, you know, face the music, and pay the price for his mistakes, and had really climbed back to respectability. And, and by the time he passed away, I think a little more than a year ago, or a year and a half, something like that, but he had regained his status, really, as you know, one of the great heroes of the state of Louisiana.

And so, you know, the book kind of goes through that. But there was also, you know, a huge impact on our family. This all happened when I was, you know, 10-11-12 years old. And, and these things also took place, when we lived in Louisiana through some of the, you know, greatest flooding and storms, you know, in the States history. And so, you know, part of the book, and part of that time in my life was how our entire life really got washed away, we, you know, our home, our home was flooded literally up to the ceilings, and, and, and had to be gutted and rebuilt.

And we walked on concrete floors for two and a half years, because that’s how long it took to actually rebuild our house after this flood, and we lost everything. I mean, I lost most of my clothes. And, you know, I had one pair of shoes for, you know, most of my childhood and they were two sizes too small for me. And, and, and so, you know, we kind of lost everything in that sense.

But we also lost everything in the sense that my dad really lost himself. I mean, he became a very violent alcoholic and, and, you know, unlike Mr. Cannon, unlike Billy Cannon, he never really climbed back to respectability, he never really made it out. And I know I hate that. I mean, it says, Son, I love my father. And I, you know, and I tried to be a good son as I grew up, but but he he left behind a pretty bad legacy.

And, and the one thing that you’ll take from my book, and it’s one thing that has really guided me in my life, I’ve always used my father as an example of what not to be, or an example of who not to be. And and it’s, it’s kind of sad that that’s the best thing that I can say about my dad, but it’s left with me, the the determination that I will never be like that. And my six year old son will always grow up knowing that he had a father who really loved him, and who was there for him no matter what.

And so, um, so, you know, sometimes, you know, it’s strange how good comes from adversity, but that’s, you know, that’s how, you know, good came from that situation?

 

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Emma Dhesi  19:22 

Yeah. So it’s fascinating, both stories. I’m really looking forward to reading them. And did you find them that you’ve mentioned that they’re sort of fictionalized memoir, creative no-fiction? Did you find writing these quite cathartic was a way of kind of therapeutic almost that you’re able to kind of write all this down and get it all out? And and let go of it, I suppose.

Henry Ball  19:48

Well show that is kind of, in fact, what it became. That wasn’t you know, I didn’t really go into it, you know, thinking that way. And really when I started writing, When I started writing it, and you know, you had to, there’s certain things I knew, but I had to, you know, kind of go back and do a little research to make sure I had the, you know, times and dates and, you know, things, right. And I talked to my sister a lot who’s 13 years older than me and has, you know, I had a more adult memory of that time of our life. 

So she was able to help me kind of, you know, put things into, you know, perspective. But it really did do that it, you know, it made me remember a lot of stuff that I had long since forgotten, and wanted to forget. But it helped me to deal with those things in a better way. So, you know, they’re not just forgotten, they’re, you know, they’re, they’re, they’re processed. And, and so, you know, it was, it was definitely a very good exercise for me in that way.

What’s funny is my sister, my older sister, the one, as I said, she was 13 years older than me, is a bit of a writer herself. And she has more, you know, training and education in that field, though, she has worked in, you know, more of the administrative field herself, and, you know, executive administration, but she has, you know, some projects that she’s worked on over time, and what I didn’t realize is that she was kind of trained in editing.

And, and I asked her, my, my book design company, you know, has a professional editor that’s edited, you know, done the final copy, edit, but they wanted me to do it myself as well, and said, if you, you know, if you can enlist anyone else, you know, it’s better to have multiple eyes on it. So I sent a copy to my sister. And, like, she’s, she is as good as the copy editor. And I was like, Wow, I didn’t know you were that good.

And she’s helped me with some stylistic things. But I had a conversation with her yesterday. And she said, I can’t tell you how hard how, you know, joyful, but hard it is, has been reading this book. And she said, she was crying. She was, you know, reading it and crying.

And my other sister asked her, like, why are you crying? And she said, because I know these people, because these, this is me. And this, these are, you know, this is us. And, and, and my other sister Laurie said, Well, you can’t you can’t read the book anymore. And she goes, Well, I have to finish it. I’ve got to finish the edit. And so she said it was you know, it was it was good and productive for her as well. 

Emma Dhesi  22:42

So that’s interesting, because that’s I mean, that’s quite often why we we read fiction is sometimes we want to read about a life that’s completely different to ours. But somewhere in there, we want to read something that reflects our life back to us or reflects a life that we perhaps wish that we had, or personal needs that we wish we we had 

Henry Ball  23:06 

Gotten to that yet. I haven’t written about that yet. But I will. 

Emma Dhesi  23:11 

But yeah, so no, she’s kind of literally seeing it’s no wonder it’s impacting her so much. So you mentioned there, the, the, the company editing company you use so and for those who are listening, and might be getting towards the end or writing their final draft, so they’ve done as much as they can by themselves? What would be your what’s been your experience? And what would you suggest others try to get them from that finished draft right through to a published manuscript.

Henry Ball  23:45

So two things that I did, um, I have my my newfound sister Laurie had a good friend of hers, Elsie Olson, who has unfortunately passed away. But she recommended that I contact LLC and you know, discuss the book with her and that she might be able to help me with, you know, developmental editing and things of that nature. And, and she really served as more of a book coach to me, and I think that was part of her part of her background.

And she, she introduced me to both Lisa Tenor and Stuart Horowitz. And Stuart Horowitz actually wound up doing the developmental elet edit. And I would, you know, I would say that, um, first of all that this is a compliment to his talents and him as an individual. But he really helped me shape the book into you know, not just a, you know, fictional memoir, but a really good story and, and he really helped me to kind of develop that story and to understand how to, you know, how to, you know, follow the process.

He’s written several books, including, you know, several best selling books on how to write best selling books. So he, you know, he knows what he’s talking about. But then he recommended for the book design company 1106 design, Michelle de flipo. And they have been, you know, just phenomenal. And they took the, you know, we talked about the cover earlier, I had some personal artwork done, which was actual, you know, a, an incredibly talented artist took a picture of my mother and, you know, created a book cover out of her image, which was wonderful.

But it wasn’t really, it just, it wasn’t right for the cover. And but so I sent all of that to 1106. They, you know, they read the book, they, you know, they talked to me about what I wanted to accomplish, and, you know, they, they went through their process with all their questioning, and then they came back with several concepts, including the one that Oh, it was a hard decision, because there were two concepts that were just, you know, just knock it out of the part perfect. 

book cover

Henry Ball

But one, which is the current cover, which is the, you know, the the lady in the silhouette with the, you know, the swamp scene inside the silhouette just has a very intriguing look, and just perfect for the book cover. And I think you said they really, to me, they just really hit a home run, and everything that I have done with them, including the book trailer that’s going to be coming out really soon. I was a little nervous about that.

Because the the original script that was sent to me, you know, I thought, well, it’s nice, but I don’t know, you know, I don’t know how captivating, it would be how it’s gonna, you know, really attract people. And, and then, just a couple of days ago, the producer, we did a zoom call, and he, you know, he played the, you know, the draft of the trailer for me, and I’m like, oh, wow, you know, it’s like a Hollywood production. It’s awesome.

And I can’t wait, you know, I can’t wait for it to get out there. So I can’t speak highly enough for, you know, for Stewart harwoods, and Michelle de flipo. and her team and 1106, they’ve really helped me take, you know, take my writing and take the book and, and make it a very professionally done production that, hopefully, hopefully will be successful. But I will be very proud of it, regardless of how well it does.

Emma Dhesi  28:00

And well, I’ll try and leave a link to these guys in the show notes. So anyone else can go and have a look at them. I just wanted to take you back to the end the editing process. It was a developmental structural edit that they did. Is that right? 

Henry Ball  28:15 

That I was with Stuart Horwitz, correct.

Emma Dhesi  28:19 

And I wonder if you could just share with us maybe one or two things that you in particular that you took away from that, or when the sort of penny dropped and thought, oh, okay, I see how that’s done? 

Henry Ball  28:31

Well, I think, you know, he basically took my draft, and we talk through things and, and he sent me different questionnaires. And you know, what, you know, how did this occur? What, you know, what do you think about this, and so, we kind of went through this process of him really just, I think, internalizing the story. And then he showed me, and then he, then he, you know, he took the first couple of chapters, and he, you know, he did his developmental edit to it.

And then we talked that through and he showed me how to really develop characters, and how to, you know, I mean, I, I feel like I do a pretty good job with describing scenes and putting, you know, placing people to where they can kind of see what’s happening, you know, with their own eyes, and, and I try to do the same thing with with character development, you know, so that people can, you know, imagine that person what that person looks like, and, and what, you know, what kind of character that person has and what kind of character that person is, and, and Stewart really helped me take that to the next level.

I mean, he, you know, he he is really, to me, very talented and getting to the quarter like he taught I hate to say this, and I hope I don’t mess up the word but, you know, I’ll always have a fairly good and fairly large vocabulary but in describing my mother, you know, my mother was a tireless worker, she worked, you know, night and day to support her children, because she really didn’t have support from her, you know, her two husbands, you know, two separate times two husbands. And, and really she was, you know, she was on her own to, you know, feed and clothe and house, you know, six kids.

And so she was a tireless, you know, worker, and just had the greatest work ethic. And, and so his description of her, you know, person, you know, so he kind of taught me a new word. And it just perfectly fits. Because my mother was tireless, my mother was, you know, a very hard worker, and she taught me a strong work ethic work ethic, really, by example, I mean, she, you know, preached, you know, to work hard, and, you know, do things the right way, and, and, you know, to always be honest and courteous, but never get outworked.

And, and, and she was very much, you know, she was very much that way herself. And she taught her kids to be that way. And, for the most part, we all are, and that has been probably the biggest key to most of our success. So, so, you know, he really helped me to, to not just, I mean, I didn’t have to develop my mother’s character, I knew my mother’s character, he helped me to express it in a will way that others can also appreciate it.

Emma Dhesi  31:37

Well, just kind of been the one to just change tack slightly, and ask you a little bit more about the kind of practicalities of writing. Because I know you’ve said you and your work that you’re pretty high up in the construction industry within the firm that you work. So I imagine there’s long hours involved there. So and you’ve mentioned, you’ve got a young son still young, and have a six year old boy myself, so I know exactly what that’s like. And so how do you find the time to balance work family, and then writing as well. 

Henry Ball  32:12 

So that is very difficult and has become much more difficult with my son, being in the picture. Most of the writing for sons of sorrows, and sister of sorrows actually took place shortly before, you know, the adoption of our son. But I also have like four other book projects, or five other book projects that I’m working on. And I would say those are moving slower than sons of sorrows and sisters are of sorrows did when I when I originally wrote them, but, you know, I am, I am making the time for you know, this process with the publishing of sister of sorrows.

And I also have a, I think, a pretty good business book, that’s going to be you know, kind of coming out fairly soon. And we’re working on the concept with that. My, my business partner, and in the owner of the construction company that I’m with, is, is very supportive. And in actually my partner in our Publishing Company, which is story press.

And, and, and so he’s, you know, he’s supportive of, of my efforts in my writing, having said that, you know, our, our day to day doesn’t allow for a lot of, you know, just, you know, solace and, you know, writing time and, you know, kind of getting, getting together with my thoughts, you know, I don’t have a lot of time for that.

So what winds up happening is, you know, I, I’ve got these, you know, book projects and, and, you know, sometime in the morning sometimes in the evening and you know, on the weekends, I’ll spend a little bit of time writing a chapter or you know, writing a few pages I lamentably and I don’t want to encourage this for any of your readers or viewers.

But I don’t have a daily word count. I don’t have a daily amount that I that I try to put down though I would like to do that and like to get to that but I would say right now, um, you know, I average maybe five or six hours a week all together and strictly writing. I spend more time in some of the other things marketing and, and you know, going through the design stuff with 1106.

I’ve just finished I’ve just finished combining their proofread edits from from their editor with my edits and the last step is going through My sister’s edits, and kind of making those changes, the good thing is, is that her and the editor from 1106, are almost 100%, in agreement with all of the punctuation and, you know, structural edits, but what she’s what she has added that he really can add is some real style and real, you know, kind of understanding of the subject matter.

And so there’s a few things that that she’s, you know, helped me to, you know, really improve on. And, and so, I probably got a couple more days of finishing that up, and really, then the book will be ready to publish the design, as the design is already approved, the covers approved, the, you know, just the back cover things are being worked on.

And, and our intention is for, you know, early December release. So that, you know, is on the market, during, you know, during December and moving forward, and hopefully feel comfortable, that will that will be able to hit that. So. So to be very, you know, very busy and very important.

Emma Dhesi  36:23

And you mentioned that you get about five hours a week of writing time done, that’s a lot, that’s great. Do you find that you say shedule that in ahead of time, so you know, you’ve got that time allocated? Or is it kind of as and when?

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Henry Ball  36:36

Yeah, it’s, it’s scheduled, and that there’s a few windows that I intend to be my writing windows, but like you, like you said, you know, the six year old, you know, and in family, we all we’ve got three dogs and, and, you know, I’ve got all kinds of business things and I’m always dealing with and, you know, the one thing about construction, I say this, and I hope that some of the people that work with me don’t see it and be offended by it.

Because I mean, it is very, I mean it very lovingly, but a lot of what I do is babysitting, you know, you know, you have to, you have to make sure that, you know, the the contractors and subcontractors are where they’re supposed to be when they’re supposed to be and they, you know, do certain things the right way. And, you know, so you’re always dealing with, you know, issues that people are facing in the field.  

And, and so I call myself, you know, a babysitter, for the most part, but I yeah, I think I’m fairly good at that. And it’s just part of what I do every day and who I am every day. So I don’t really consider that is, you know, scheduled time. So my, you know, my scheduled time sometimes gets interrupted by that, or my child wants to play tag, um, you know, and you kind of got to play tag when you got to play tag so, so, so it doesn’t always happen, but I try.  

Emma Dhesi  38:10    

And so when you do get those and writing spots, when you do get to your desk, Are you someone who even though I know your first book is sort of part memoir, did you do close it out in advance or make notes about what you’re going to write about next? Or are you very much a discovery writer and you sit down and what comes, comes. 

Henry Ball  38:29  

So I, I was very much a discovery writer and sister of sorrows. But part of the process that Stewart, you know, helped me was to outline and structure. And, and so sons of sorrows was still more of a discovery process, because it was, you know, really sons of sorrows, and sister of sorrows got written together.  

And at one point, it was just one book. And, you know, we decided that, you know, it really should be two books. And so we, we kind of picked the place that the two books would diverge. And, and it became two books. But everything that I have done since then, has been with an outline, and then kind of developing that outline, and has been more structural. And I think, I think it’s improved my writing because of it.   

Emma Dhesi  39:26 

Okay, that’s interesting, and you’ve liked having a bit more structure there to work, work within   

Henry Ball  39:31  

I do. I mean, there’s still a lot of, you know, the creativity process. And, you know, even in the outline, you know, you’re you’re still you know, there’s still a creative process that puts that outline together. And so, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s always an amount of discovery writing involved, but the, the more structural part of it allows me to develop the characters better and to develop the scenes better.  

And to, I think, you know, really kind of, you know, create a universe, you know, that you’re working within and develop that universe. And, and so I feel like that has, you know, been a big improvement, I feel like sister of sorrows happened the way it happened, because that’s, you know, that’s what had to happen.  

And, and in it, you know, and I think it, it probably benefited from just being discovery writing, um, you know, there were, there was never really an outline for it, but the outline for it was really my life, right, the outline was my experience, and, and, you know, kind of putting those into a storied format. And, and, and so, you know, the outline was really there already for that. But what I’ve done since then I feel like has improved my writing.  

Emma Dhesi  41:02   

It’s funny. I’m a discovery writer, and I keep trying to move more towards plotting and planning, I struggle with it, but I kind of keep on keeping on with it. Because I’ve been told, you know, it said, we can speed up the process. I’m kind of all for that. No, I am just conscious of time.

So I wanted to ask you, just a couple more things. One of which is, in terms of the craft of writing is there anyone in particular that you turn to or any books that you’ve read, or any courses you’ve done or anything like that, that you find beneficial and are worth our listeners checking out? 

Henry Ball  41:40

Show, um, two things. You know, one of the one thing about my mother as my mother was in an insatiable, an avid reader, she had, you know, she, she literally had a lot a library that was just a wall of novels, and she had read every one of them, at least twice. And I kind of got this from her. She, she’d start reading a book, and, you know, she wouldn’t sleep or do anything else until she finished that book.

And, and she would read, you know, she would read a 400 – 500 page novel in less than a day, day and a half. I mean, she was a reader. And I am not to that level, but when I start reading a book, I get engrossed in it, and I, you know, I don’t put it down until I’m finished. And one of the people that I just absolutely love, and this is gonna sound kind of cliche, and, you know, it sounds like you know, anybody because everybody knows who he is, would say this, but I just love his writing style is John Grisham.

And I’ve read, I’ve read just about every one of his books, and I love that I love that suspense, and kind of real life legal, legal ease that he brings into his books. And, and so so as a, you know, writers that inspired me, I love john Grisham. I love Clancy. You know, I love those kind of books. But I also love the fictional you know, fictional history type books. I mentioned earlier, Billy cannon, I just got through reading the book about him a long, long run.

And I thought it was just I thought it was a great book, it was awesome. And, and I couldn’t put it down, I you know, read it in a couple of days. And, and so, those are, you know, those are the kind of things that I would say influenced me, from a writer to writer perspective now, um, I think I want to say, you and I connected on Alessandra Tori’s Facebook group. She is awesome.

She has a class for using Goodreads, and any any writer, any of your writers who want to become published authors, and expect to, you know, succeed need to do her class on Goodreads, it only takes about an hour. There’s other materials that you can, you know, then access, but it’s, it’s a very, you know, very good hour and, and really helps you to appreciate how to use good reads to, you know, to promote yourself and to, you know, to kind of move forward.

So, so that’s been great. There’s a bunch of other Facebook groups like hers, but I think for me, hers has been, you know, one of the most effective and then as I mentioned already, you know, Stuart Horowitz and 1160 design if you get to the point where you want to work with, you know, professionals on on finishing your book and getting it ready for publish, they are absolutely, you know, highly highly recommended by me, and also And just one last thing I don’t want to not mention this.

Lisa Tenor who is also a book coach also has a group similar to Alessandra Tori’s. She is absolutely awesome. And and so I, you know, I recommend, you know, I recommend her as well.  

Emma Dhesi  45:23 

Okay, excellent. I’ll find that and link to that. And so I guess the last question would be, you know, sister of sorrows is out soon do you have a release date yet?

Henry Ball  45:34 

I’m sorry? 

Emma Dhesi  45:35 

Do you have a release date yet for?

Henry Ball  45:37 

No, we will, we will probably, we will probably finalize the release date in the next I would say in the next week to 10 days. I’m shooting for the first week of December. 

Emma Dhesi  45:50  

And we’re finally where can listeners connect with you on social media if they want to stay in touch? 

Henry Ball  45:56

So Facebook, you know, mine. It’s just my name Henry ball on Facebook and and then also, you could go to www.sisterofsorrows.com

Emma Dhesi  46:12 

Fantastic. Well, Henry, it’s been a delight talking to you today. Thank you so much for your time.

Henry Ball  46:17 

Thank you. I appreciate it very much.

Emma Dhesi  46:21 

Well, I hope you got a lot out of that conversation with Henry. I know I certainly did. One of my biggest takeaways from him was when you have a passion for something, you will find the time to do it. So although he has a busy job, and many other interests outside of work, he still find the time to write the book, do the research, get it edited.

Find a great editor who really helped him to shape the story of the book, find a great production company who helped him with the design of the book and the book cover. And then of course, putting together a book trailer, which you’ll see if you go to the blog post associated with this interview.

One of the other things I took away from my conversation with Henry was how often a great story is right there in front of us. So his own upbringing, the story of his mom was the basis of his novel sister of sorrows and indeed the sequel that he’s currently writing, son of sorrows.

So sometimes, you know, life is stranger than fiction. And perhaps your story, your next story is right there in front of you. You just have to take a little look around to see the magic.

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Be Pain Free with Physical Therapist Dr Alexia Harrigan

Be Pain Free with Physical Therapist Dr Alexia Harrigan

by Emma Dhesi | Turning Readers Into Writers

Interview with Alexia Harrigan

Emma Dhesi  00:00

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Today’s interview is with Dallas Fort Worth based physical therapist and health coach Alexia Harrigan, she believes that health and wellness begin with mindset. Using her 15 years of physical therapy experience in orthopedic and women’s health and pelvic floor therapy. Alexia has set out to coach moms into optimal health and unconditional self love.

Her mission is to help moms be their best for themselves, so that they can be the best for their families. Today, she talks to you about how you can alleviate all those aches and pains that come from the writing life so that you can be the best writer you can be and prolong your career, as well as living a healthier life. Well, hi, Alexia, thank you so much for joining me today. I’m thrilled to have you on the show.

Alexia Harrigan  02:36

Thank you for having me. I’m happy to be here.

Emma Dhesi  02:39

I wanted to start perhaps if you could just tell us a little bit about yourself. And because I know you have your own practice now. But how did you go from doing your training to the place you are now? 

Alexia Harrigan  02:51

Yeah, so I’ve been a physical therapist for about 15 years. In a multitude of settings. I’m currently working in outpatient for a corporation, and I focus on pelvic floor therapy and women’s health. And I also do orthopedics. So anything from head to toe is pretty much what I see and treat. I also treat postpartum moms, and all the things that come along with that, because there’s various body changes that happen. So we, we work through a lot of those things.

And through my own journey of postpartum and in motherhood, I’ve had my own kind of personal health issues and things like that. And so I really got into the women’s health and recently kind of dove into doing health coaching for moms, because there’s so many things that so many things that we leave unsaid. There’s so many things that are just like, oh, that’s common, because you’re, you know, you just had a baby, that’s just life, when so many things are treatable, but we just assume that that just has to be our life now. And so being able to, you know, cough, laugh or sneeze without leaking on yourself, it’s kind of important, but nobody really talks about.

Emma Dhesi  04:18

Yeah, that recently that that is a particularly bad one at that example that you gave a lot of women do suffer with that. And as you say, assume that that is part of just life after childbirth, women in their 70’s they’ve had it for you know, 40 – 50 years, but didn’t didn’t reach out for help.

Alexia Harrigan  04:37

Yeah, and and it’s really because we don’t talk about it, you know, and we just go Oh, yeah, that just that’s just what it is, you know, but those things are treatable and can get better with you know, pelvic floor therapy and various things. And so I’m just really wanting to be an advocate for moms and also, you know, we as moms, we lay ourselves down for every single thing, you know, we go to the moon and back for the people that we love, but we don’t take time to take care of ourselves, you know, and sometimes we feel guilty for taking care of ourselves.

And so like in my health coaching role, I definitely am a strong proponent for self care, because you can’t love yourself, you can’t love others optimally, if you don’t love yourself first, you know, and so we really wanted to focus on that, too.

Emma Dhesi  05:30

Yeah, it took me a little while a little longer than it should have done to realize that a happy mom equals a happy child. So mom’s house is so so important. And I think you mentioned guilts, there for having self care. And I think certainly some of the, the writers that I work with, there is an element of that because being a fiction writer, or storyteller, it doesn’t pay the bills, it doesn’t, you know, compare that way, it’s quite solitary thing. And not everybody gets it. So I know a lot of us can feel guilty before we, we finally take those steps towards writing. And so what kind of part from there? They’re leaking? What other common elements? Have you seen that kind of car after childbirth, in case any, but any of our listeners are experiencing something that actually is very treatable? 

Alexia Harrigan  06:22

Yeah, so many moms will have pain with intercourse. Sometimes there is damage to the tissues during childbirth. And that may, may or may not require, you know, sutures or stitches and things like that. There can be a lot of pain associated with that. And, you know, there’s been a lot of bad advice out there is like, Oh, well just have more sex. Like, that’s not the answer. That is treatable, right. It’s not the answer that is treatable.

You know, there, there’s also just like, a lot of different joint pains, pelvis pain, knee pain, foot pain, shoulder pain, back pain, all of those things can happen, because a lot of moms are not sleeping well, because their babies are up, you know, their joints and things are still lacks because of the hormones in their body. So things are trying to come back together. And so if they’re not sitting with good posture, if they’re not breastfeeding in in an optimal way that’s going to support their bodies, if they’re, if their core, their core is obviously weak after having a baby, right.

So all of those things kind of play a part. And those are treatable. Some, some moms have diastasis, where the abdominals separate. And don’t necessarily come back together as optimally. So that that can create a whole host of issues with bloating and back pain and all kinds of things. So and all that stuff is treatable.

Emma Dhesi  07:58

Does anyone listening? And you’re this all sounds familiar, get in touch with your health practitioner? 

Alexia Harrigan  08:03

It’s absolutely, absolutely.

Emma Dhesi  08:05

So how do you help your clients that come to you after childbirth? For example? What are some of the ways in which you kind of help them get back back to optimal health? Because you mentioned that you got recovery with grace. And so how do you incorporate that?

Alexia Harrigan  08:23

So we incorporate not just the physical aspects of you know, exercise and getting back to movement, we focus on posture. We also focus on self care. And because really, when when we look at how our bodies work, and our bodies are so amazing, and everything’s connected. And so, when you’re looking at how your diet is how your movement is, even with how how your emotions are all those things play a part in your overall healing.

So my recovery was grace program, it really encompasses the whole body holistically, mind, body, and spirit. How are you taking care of yourself so that you can better take care of your, your child? How are you? What’s your diet looking like? You know, are you are you eating? You know, some moms just, they’re just not eating enough? Or are you eating too much of the wrong things? You know, our our gut health, you know, how our, our intestines and things like that, that plays a huge part in our immunity, as well as like, you may not know but the gut produces 70 to 90% of the serotonin in our bodies, which is that feel good hormone

Emma Dhesi  09:46

I didn’t know that. 

Alexia Harrigan  09:47

So yeah. So even for your writers, you know, sometimes you get so caught up in writing, that you’re not you’re just kind of eating junk, right? But if you’re not feeding yourself optimally, then you’re Not giving yourself the right elements to produce that feel good hormone that helps your creativity, right? So it’s really important to be to feed yourself good things, so that you can stimulate all those feel good hormones, so you can be more creative so that you can be present. And, and so that you feel better, right?

My husband and I, my husband’s also a life coach. And we always say like, are you depressed? Because your guts messed up? Or is your gut messed up? Because you’re depressed? Right? And the answer is yes, right, because we don’t know what came first the chicken or the egg, but they both feed into each other. Mm hmm. So you know, my recovery grace program really focuses on the eating, the self care, pelvic floor health is super important, all the muscles down in your pelvis that incorporate all your sexual organs, and all of that, all those things are connected neurologically, to your central nervous system to your brain.

So like, for people that have like, pelvic floor pain, or even overactive bladder, where you run to the bathroom every five minutes, when you freak out, that stimulates those areas to activate, and even over activate, which means you can, by managing your stress, you can decrease the amount of times you have to go to the bathroom, you can decrease your pelvic floor pain. There’s like a whole host of things. So we really talk about all of those elements, to have optimal health, you know, not just immediately postpartum, but throughout life, because as we know, you know, stress doesn’t stress it and stop coming.

So we have to figure out how to manage it, right. So there’s all of those things that we we really focus on and work through.

Emma Dhesi  11:46

It’s lovely, we use it, I love that idea of it being holistic, and the fact that it’s a lifelong thing as well. And so I guess that’s a really lovely opportunity for the women you work with to start putting in place some great habits and ways to move. Yes, you’re right, that the stress doesn’t go away. And if anything, then increases the comparison around.

Alexia Harrigan  12:06

Yeah, absolutely.

Emma Dhesi  12:10

Right. So if I can move on to just kind of thinking about writers, and just by the nature of our job most of us have, even if we’re active, perhaps in our paid jobs, we then become very sedentary when we sit down to write and we can be sitting for two or more hours at a time, just in one place. And so for example, myself, I struggle a lot with shoulder and neck pain, and I get so quite severe headaches, two times a month, and it cannot be for six. Can you think of any ways that I can maybe? What do you think are the most common reasons that I might be getting pain? And that area? Is it to do with posture, or maybe the ergonomics of my desk? Perhaps?

Alexia Harrigan  13:03

Yes, that those are definitely two possible factors. posture is very, very important. And I know a lot of times we’ll look, we think about, you know, ergonomics, right. And it’s kind of like one of those really fancy words for like, is it does everything fit right is basically is basically it and you need to make sure that one, you have a good chair that fits you. Some people have long legs and are sitting in a short chair, you know, that’s not as deep. So then, you know, they’re not, their legs are kind of down a little bit, they’re not really supported, or you have a shorter person that’s sitting in a deep chair where their feet are dangling.

So all of those things can put stress on the back. And again, like I said, everything’s connected. So if your feet aren’t planted on the floor, and you’ve got, you know, your feet dangling, that’s going to put an increased arching your back, which is going to make you hunched forward, you know, or backward, and your head is going to come forward, which is going to kind of, you know, it’s almost like a stack of dominoes that just fall and everything’s going to be be a little less optimally performing. And then you’re in that posture for a prolonged time. So now you’re putting strain on those tissues, and they’re trying to hold you up. They’re trying to do the job that you’re asking of them, but they’re not in a position where they can optimally work.

So one of the things especially like with neck pain and shoulder pain, one, you got to take breaks, right? I always like to say no posture, there’s no bad posture, right? Our bodies are made to move and go in and out of postures. We have issues when we stay in these prolong static postures, and we never come out of them right so that those long marathon writing sessions where we’re just kind of hunting Stover we’re typing in her neck is forward, all that’s doing is really over activating the upper trapezius muscles, which is at the top of the shoulders, and your head is forward. So that’s putting a lot of strain. A normal, a normal head weighs anywhere from 10 to 10 to 30 pounds when it’s like over the shoulders and the hips when it’s upright.

But when you have your head forward and your shoulders rounded, just by virtue of physics, you have to multiply that poundage by three to five times. Right, so. So those smaller muscles in your neck that are supposed to hold you up and be stable, that’s a lot more strain on them, so I usually recommend, especially with my patients that have you know, neck pain, upper back pain and shoulder pain is take breaks, it’s okay, if you’re gonna, you know, if you plan on writing all day, that’s fine. Use your phone, set a timer, you know, set a timer for 45 minutes or an hour, and try to at least stand up stretch, and then sit back down and get back to writing.

Even that small little bit of movement will kind of break up the monotony allow those some more circulation to come into those tissues,

Emma Dhesi  16:17

Right 

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Alexia Harrigan  16:18

And allow you to move a little bit better. 

Emma Dhesi  16:20

Okay. So brakes are good. And so you would recommend, say every 45 minutes taking a break and having a stretch.

Alexia Harrigan  16:28

Yes, absolutely. As far as like with, with your, like your desk and things like that, what you would like is to have the monitor a little bit higher than your eye levels, so that your gaze can be straight on instead of like down. So being able to elevate your monitor, a lot of us use laptops now. So l put it on a stack of books, or if you have those little, they have little trays now that kind of you can stand them up on but that way your your gaze can be straight on instead of down. So that encourages you to be up upright a little bit more. Okay?

Also, just moving, right, moving your neck around. If you’re if you’re like, Man, I’m in the zone. And I don’t want to stop after 45 minutes, at least sit up straight, turn your head a few times side to side, and just allow those muscles to stretch and move. Like getting out of those positions and then going back into it. It’s not going to break your concentration that much if you take two minutes to care for your body so that you’re not laid out for three or four days with a headache and you know, spasms and things like that.

Emma Dhesi  17:42

Mm hmm. Okay, so I putting a timer, I think is a good idea. Otherwise, it’s so easy to forget and just these trouble.

Alexia Harrigan  17:51

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because you get in the zone, get in the zone. It’s just like, I mean, I do the same thing. I I actually just finished my book and send it to publishing. Yeah, and so it’s a, it’s called sunny with a chance of showers. And, and so I totally understand the whole writing process. It’s like when you’re in it, you’re just in it. But you have to have those outside reminders to be like, just take a break. You know, just take a break and be able to just move and that will kind of help stem some of some of that overactivity of those muscles.

Emma Dhesi  18:31

Mm hmm. Okay. Okay, thank you for that. So I put some questions out to some of my audience. And they’ve come back to me with some of the things that they are struggling with, and we’re keen that I am. So one of two people actually mentioned an eye strain and seeing that they get a quite a bit of eye strain. I’m guessing from writing directly onto a computer using the screen in some way. Is there a way of reducing that because I don’t know if they were glasses actually. So I don’t know if there’s already something going on. But is that something that they can manage in a way?

Alexia Harrigan  19:09

Absolutely. So I typically recommend blue light glasses. Because it the blue light from the computers, they definitely cause a lot of eye strain. Even like with prescription glasses, you can get a coating on your glasses to kind of help with the blue light. I have that on mine as well. Or you can just if you don’t wear glasses, you can buy separate blue light glasses. Yeah, there’s a lot of studies coming out about it. One thing even like with you even with using your phone, there’s a lot that that backlit.

That light actually inhibits melatonin production in your body which Melatonin is that relaxation hormone that’s naturally produced that helps you Sleep. So if you’re on your computer or on your phone late at night, and you find it hard to go to sleep, it’s probably because that blue light is inhibiting those hormones being produced in your body. So if you, you know, if you have your routine with your writing and things like that, try to one, get those blue light glasses so that you can at least block that so that you can sleep better at night.

And then obviously have more energy in the morning when you’re you know, so you can get back into your writing, but it just helps you overall, and it will help decrease the eye strain as well. Also, like, if you have vision issues, I enlarge the font, like zoom, you know, zoom in, don’t feel like you have to keep it in, you know, point 10 font, it’s okay. If you you know, expand the frame. We it’s very simple, but you know, we all do it. It’s like, why am I staring at this computer so closely. And it’s like, I could just, you know, increase the zoom by maybe 25%. And I can just like, relax, it’s okay.

Emma Dhesi  21:09

That’s funny. I did that just last night on my Kindle for the first time. And I confess, there was a little bit of me that was quite sad to do it, because I thought, Oh, this is another another part of aging, because I used to laugh at my aunts and uncles for doing it. And now I’m doing it.

Alexia Harrigan  21:26

But there’s no shame in it. Honestly, it you know, really, it helps decrease the eye strain. You know, as a writer, as you know, now our society is like, almost 100% on computers now because COVID right. So we we spent a lot of time on our devices, make it easier on yourself, you know, make it easier on your eyes. If If you don’t have to strain to see the smaller font don’t. 

Emma Dhesi  21:53

It’s so effective. I like it. Well, that’s great. So two good suggestions. They I’ve never heard of the blue light glasses. So I’m going to be looking at those myself. And then yeah, just enlarge the font. I like that. Yeah, I caught a number of people who said that they struggle with tendinitis. And in their hands is there again, is there anything that they can do to help reduce I think the swelling and the the sort of pain that comes with that?

Alexia Harrigan  22:25

Yeah, so most often tendinitis is because of repetitive things. And oftentimes, it’s, you know, mostly with like, carpal tunnel, and you know, being on the computer. So again, moving stretching, I always kind of do like that prayer stretch with hands kind of together and let let the hidden risk come down. That’s really helpful for stretching the carpal tunnel, but also having some support for your wrists on your computer. You know, sometimes those little, those little cushions that can kind of keep you in kind of that neutral risk position is kind of where you want to be, you don’t want your wrist to be kind of cocked up too high or down, because that’s going to put pressure on those joints and cause some increased issues.

Because really, you know, most of the most of the muscles that control the hand are in the forearm. So there are a lot of tendons that are coming through that wrist area. And so if you’re putting extra tension by kind of having your wrist cocked up because you don’t have your wrist supported on something, then you got to think about like, it’s almost like ropes, kind of, you know, rubbing and rubbing and rubbing and rubbing and rubbing. Well eventually they’re gonna get mad and be like we’ve had enough of this we’re gonna swell and be painful.

So, so it’s just about putting them in optimal, you know, that neutral posture, that neutral position where they’re supported, so that you can work and not put extra strain on them. 

Emma Dhesi  24:03

Okay, cool. I’ve seen people with these kind of support gloves, so most and or wrist bandages, or they have it you know, if you’ve already struggling a bit, are they of any use or do you want to let your wrist beam keep moving more? Does that help or hindrance do you think?

Alexia Harrigan  24:23

So, Um, I kind of have a love hate relationship with braces in general, right? So braces or braces are good for acute injuries. You know, to immobilize things so that the tissues can calm down so they can rescue decrease strain. That’s fine. prolonged use of them. I kind of take issue with sometimes because our bodies when it comes to stabilization and movement, our bodies are very efficient. So if you don’t use it, you lose it right? And so the body’s like, Oh, I don’t have to work to stabilize that great. And then you feel like, you know, when you take it off, you feel extra weak because your muscles haven’t been had, you know, to support itself.

So they’re fine for short term things. You know, as far as like carpal tunnel braces and things like that, if you know, you’re going to be doing a lot of typing, and you already have some wrist issues, it’s not a bad idea to put it on during that activity. So you provide yourself a little bit of support. And so you don’t further irritate the tissues. But if you don’t currently have that issue, I wouldn’t necessarily say wear a brace, just in case I would say, get some, you know, a cushion to support your wrist so that you’re in better position, so you don’t eventually have it, but I don’t think you should just get a brace just a habit if you don’t have that condition already. 

Emma Dhesi  25:53

Okay. Okay, good advice there. Somebody was also asking about these lumber pillows that you can get that you can put on your chair? Um, and whether or not they are actually useful, or is it more of a marketing kind of gimmick?

Alexia Harrigan  26:10

Yeah, so, um, the answer is, it depends, right. So sometimes lumbar rolls are really nice, a nice little support. If you’re having some back issues they can be, they can be nice to kind of help a little bit. But what I’ve found to be a little bit more supportive is and cheaper is to just take a, take a towel, and fold it a couple of times. So it might be maybe a couple inches thick, and you put it, you sit on it, but you you sit on it towards the back part of your bottom, so you kind of just barely put your hips on it.

Okay, what that does is it actually helps tilt your pelvis forward in what we call, we would call a little bit of lumbar lordosis. So it kind of increases the arching your back, which that lumbar roll kind of helps with, but this does it from your seat aspect. And by rotating your hips forward a little bit, it actually supports you in a way that you can sit up straighter without having to work really hard. And it actually feels pretty good when you if you do it, right. And it’s really it’s not, you probably use maybe maybe half the towel or even a quarter of the towel underneath your bottom. And it really does help a ton without having to get a lumbar roll. Okay, it works.

Even if you’re sitting on the floor, or you’re sitting at a chair that doesn’t have a back where you’re sitting closer to the edge of a chair. It can work in all those areas.

 

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Emma Dhesi  27:54

It sounds like it’s the same position you would use if say you were doing a yoga class. And you’re using like the mat supports for years. Yes. And yoga. Right. Okay. Yeah. Now that sounds like the sort of thing that’s good to do, regardless of whether you have back pain or not just generally good for your, your back’s natural position.

Alexia Harrigan  28:16

Absolutely. Okay, totally. Yeah. I think too, like with posture, it’s helpful. I do it myself, especially sitting on the floor. That helps too. But like, even with posture, I think a lot of times the, the mindset is to like, try to like force your posture up straight and like shoulders back. And, and that’s really, it’s it’s hard to maintain. Because most of us don’t sit that way most of the time, right. But a better way to think about sitting up straight, is elongating.

So think about like, if you had if you were like a marionette doll, and there was a string attached to the top of your head, and someone was pulling you straight up. And so you’re basically elongating your spine, you’re not necessarily forcing your shoulders back, you’re actually straightening up through your spine going straight up toward the sky. And what you’ll find is, you’ll be a lot more upright, your core, your back muscles will engage the way they’re supposed to and the way they’re designed to. And it doesn’t take as much work as trying to force your shoulders back and all that other stuff.

It’s so much easier to just elongate your spine and kind of along kind of raise your head like from your shoulders.

Emma Dhesi  29:40

Mm hmm. I like that. Yeah, I certainly that’s exactly why just what you described, I’m always trying to push my shoulders back trying to ramrod straight my my spine thinking that’s me sitting up straight, but I like the idea of yet just lifting up from the crown of the head that feels Yeah, more gentle way of doing it. Yeah,

Alexia Harrigan  29:58

yes, yes.

Emma Dhesi  30:02

I wanted to ask I was thinking about habits. habits are so so important. And I struggle with many habits, including staying active, not necessarily doing sport, but just kind of staying active. And if there are others like me who don’t get a kick out of movement that some other people do, have you any suggestions about how we can begin to incorporate? incorporate any kind of any of these exercises, or any other exercise actually into our lives? Because one thing I find is when I’ve got the headache, Oh, I’m so on it, I do the stretches. And every time I say to myself, I’ve got to make this part of my weekly routine. And then as soon as the pain goes, I forget all about it. And I really think alone there.

I wonder if you’ve got any, something I’ve not thought about to help make that more of a habit?

Alexia Harrigan  30:56

Yeah. Oh, man, we’re, we’re all we’re all this way. So don’t feel bad. Everybody’s bipolar, everybody. We don’t, we only take our medicine until we till we feel good. And then we we forget that it’s the medicine that helps us feel good, right? It’s like, we got to do our exercises. That’s, that’s what helps us feel good. We’re all the same. One, one of the things that as far as like movement in general, I always encourage my patients and my clients to do the things you enjoy. Like, what do you enjoy doing? Right?

Some people hate going to the gym, that’s okay. You know, you don’t have it doesn’t have to look like what the media or what other people say it’s supposed to look like movement free for you might be working in your garden, it might be walking your dog, it might be, you know, doing some yoga, it might be you know, there are a ton of things. For me, it’s roller skating, I absolutely love to roller skate. So it’s one of those things where, you know, I’m not a runner, I’ve just, that’s just not the way my body is built. It just hates it. My knees are like, why are we doing this?

You know, but I love roller skating. You know, my husband hates roller skating, but he loves doing you know, riding a bike. So it’s whatever, whatever you enjoy, do it. One of the one of the recommendations for exercise is like to get 150 minutes worth of exercise for a week, right in a week. And that sounds really daunting for most people, because they’re like, Oh my gosh, now I got to go to the gym, or I got to work out for hours or whatever. But what studies have shown is even in braking, you can, they will say, well, 30 minutes a day, right.

But even if you broke that into smaller portions, 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there, that still adds up, it still counts. So, you know, even for even if your with your exercises that you need to do for your neck and things like that, all that counts. So don’t don’t despise the little things. If it’s like, oh, man, I’m just gonna, like walk back and forth to the mailbox, and then back for like, five minutes. And then in an hour, I’m gonna do it again. Like that all adds up. Okay, as far as like creating habits, it really it can be tough, and it can be like discouraging, because we we fall off, right.

But the thing is, as we’re creating habits, we have to understand how the brain and how the mind works. We’re used to doing a certain way certain thing. And it’s kind of like treading a path in a forest. Right. And so that path is well worn. And it’s, you know, it’s it, you can see it, when you when you walk in the forest, you can see that that well worn path. We when we want to start a new habit, we have to wear in a brand new path in that forest. Which means sometimes if we’re not consistent, or if we, you know, let’s say life happens, and we get back on that regular that old path, we can’t get down on ourselves. It’s not like that, that path is a bad path. It’s just a more worn path than the new path.

So in order to create that new habit, it just has to be more worn than the old path. And so, it’s it’s one of those things where don’t get discouraged if you fall off, okay, I always tell my clients have a plan B, have a plan B. I’m going to I’m going to do my neck exercises every morning when I get up. So for the first week, you’re very consistent. You’re doing it but let’s say life happens. Your get sick stuff happens, blah, blah, blah, okay? What’s my plan B when life gets crazy, okay, I may not be able to have time to go for that 30 minute walk, I may only have time to do my neck exercises or a five minute yoga sequence. But that’s okay. Because that’s my plan B. And when life settles down, I go back to my plan A, which means now, there’s no guilt involved.

Emma Dhesi  35:30

I Like that

Alexia Harrigan  35:30

right? I’m not beating myself up, because we don’t, you know, we give up because we anticipate the punishment that we give ourselves.

Emma Dhesi  35:40

Yes, yes. Yeah.

Alexia Harrigan  35:43

Yeah, there’s a lot of guilt. So we have Plan B, right? So we say, Okay, I know, I need to do these exercises for my neck, so I feel better. So then you brainstorm it. What’s the optimal time? That would work best for you to get them done? Once you figure that out, then you just implement that. If something happens, you say, Okay, well, if if something happens to disrupt that time, when’s the next best time for me to do it? So that’s my plan B. 

Emma Dhesi  36:12

Okay. I like that. Because then there’s no, it’s taking away the idea that you’re falling off the wagon, so to speak. Yes. And yes, your sister, you’re always on it. You’re just changing your seats.

Alexia Harrigan  36:24

Exactly. Exactly. Because, as we all know, life can change dramatically in a moment, right? I mean, we’ve experienced 2020 has been crazy. I mean, I don’t even know it’s just been like, it’s crazy. Yeah. So we have to, we have to, again, give ourselves grace. And understand that, yes, life happens. And how are we going to respond to that? So that we’re not totally the real, we don’t have to fall off the wagon. You know, just like with our eating, if you’re on a specific diet plan, and you’re like, Okay, I’m not going to have you know, a whole lot of carbs. I’m just going to do a lot of fruits and vegetables, healthy proteins, healthy fats. Okay, cool.

And then, you know, then you have a really crazy craving for, you know, some chocolate chip cookies, and you have some chocolate chip cookies. Is your diet completely over? No, it’s not, you got chocolate chip cookies, okay? Tomorrow, have more fruits and vegetables, drink more water. It’s not the end of the world, we have to give ourselves grace and understand that, you know, we should strive for progression, not perfection.

Emma Dhesi  37:42

Very true. That’s lovely progression, not perfection. I’m just conscious of time. And but I’ve got a couple more questions, if that’s all right. And I didn’t realize that you were writing your book as well. So I wonder is there anything else any other kind of ailments or, and sore points that maybe you experienced when you were writing, or that other people have come to you with, but I haven’t thought to ask today.

Alexia Harrigan  38:07

Ammm yeah, So I think for me, when I was writing, I think the thing that I ran into the most was just having a great place to write in. We were doing a lot of moving and things like that. So it was like, Okay, well, now I’m writing on the couch. And I’m kind of like, all curled up over here. And then I’m over here, you know, writing at the kitchen table, and then I’m writing in my bed. And so I think just having a consistent writing area. So, so I could make it a lot more comfortable for myself.

Because I I too had, you know, shoulder pain and back pain from you know, hunching over. And I think for me, being able to, I did a lot of yoga really, in between. So I would just do like a few yoga poses to kind of take a break. And then I would go back to my writing, which was, which was great, because the story I share in my book is my my grief journey after losing my son. And so it’s pretty heavy. And so being able to kind of do that restorative yoga, and being able to kind of relax my mind and then go back into it was very helpful for me.

Emma Dhesi  39:30

So did you just do a few, you know, a few select poses, you don’t need to do a full routine, the full flow, you can just choose a few poses, do those? Right. Okay. 

Alexia Harrigan  39:40

Absolutely. Yeah. And I think I think that was helpful for me too, because, you know, a lot of times like I was saying earlier, you get in the flow, and you don’t necessarily want to like okay, now I’m going to go do yoga for 30 minutes to an hour. It’s like though I just need I just need to stretch and move a little bit and I need to get some more oxygen in my body. Then I can get back to it.

Emma Dhesi  40:02

Love that I love that. Well Alexia, where can listeners find out more about you and the work that you do?

Alexia Harrigan  40:09

Yes, so they can find me. My website is alexiaharrigan.com and I’m on Instagram at Dr. Alexia Harrigan and I’m on Facebook as well as Alexia Harrigan.

Emma Dhesi  40:22

Cool. Well, I’ll link to all of those in the show notes. And that’s good. Thank you. Well, thank you so much. It was great to speak to you.

Alexia Harrigan  40:30

Thank you so much. I had a great time.

Emma Dhesi  40:33

Okay, how was that for you? I hope you find that as useful as I did. I loved Alexia as practical suggestions on how we can alleviate all those aches and pains in our body. And the way she’s encouraged us just to be gentle with ourselves find a an activity or a way of being active that suits us and our lifestyle. So if you’re like me, and you do not love the gym, then I love the fact you’re saying, okay, don’t do that. Find another way of incorporating activity in your life, whether it be to walk to the, the post box and back, or whether it just be to do a few stretches and a few yoga, yoga poses, if that’s what you’re into.

It’s about fitting activity and movement into your life. No matter what you do in your day to day, so that you stay fit, you stay healthy, that you can continue with your writing career and not be completely disabled by it. You know, I know that I struggle a lot and I’m constantly trying to find ways of keeping myself active. I know of other writers who have even undergone you know, surgical procedures because their pain has got too much. And then they’ve had to find ways of making sure they keep they keep themselves moving and keep keep the benefits of that surgical procedure.

So I hope that’s been useful. Let me know how you get on. Please do. Put in the comments what you do to keep fit and healthy and active and any tips that you’ve got you want to share with other listeners. Right, that’s what I’ve got for you today. I hope it was good. And I’ll see you again next time.

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Emma writes women’s fiction. She began writing seriously while a stay at home mum with 3 pre-school children.

By changing her mindset, being consistent and developing confidence, Emma has gone from having a collection of handwritten notes to a fully written, edited and published novel.

Having experienced first-hand how writing changes lives, Emma now helps beginner writers find the time and confidence to write their first novel.